Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

The 90% or whatever percentage of girls who might not be influenced by that book and its ilk are sort of irrelevant, it's the 10% (or 1% or .1%) who are negatively influenced who are the concern. (A bit like it's irrelevant whether I'm personally bothered by a bloke in the women's loos).

There's certainly a live one on the "Beauty students urged to strip... " thread, been there last day or two. Strong case for DNFTT, I think.

I also hated my nose, was obsessed with other people’s, inwardly celebrated on the rare occasions I saw someone with a worse nose than me, would have given anything to have a nose job in my teens. By the time I hit my 20s I didn’t give a fig about my nose!

whenever I was in a locked room with a mirror I’d whip up my top and have another look at them

Ha, Mavis, I used to do that! I was never feminine and preferred doing all the boy things like climbing trees and jumping off the shed roof, with a sheet for a parachute that sadly didn't work. I've wondered many times, if I was young now, I'd have been persuaded I was a boy, but like you once my adult female body developed, I thought it was wonderful.

Has anyone asked him about the rapists-in-female-prisons debate? Sturgeon thinks there are three genders whilst Rishi thinks there are two (and the Tory Government quietly changed the criteria in Jan to avoid this problem). What was Starmer's response?

Why is Starmer doing this WHY!?

Because he is part of or in thrall to a movement to tear apart the fabric of society.

Neither accusing nor celebrating here, but I’d’ve definitely read that book as a kid (I read everything except the books set for English O and A-levels) and it definitely wouldn’t have turned me trans, although I was a tomboy who dreaded growing breasts. Of course when I did grow breasts they were lovely, and whenever I was in a locked room with a mirror I’d whip up my top and have another look at them. I still like them 47 years on.

Why is Starmer doing this WHY!? Why is he so tin-eared!? If he can't read the room on this what else can't he read the room on? I wept with relief and joy when Blair won in 1997 even tho I had my doubts as many of us did. I'll be weeping with fear, rage, anger and terror if Starmer wins a landslide next year.

It would help so much if the Equality Act could be updated now to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ is biological, not false ‘legal sex’ from a gender recognition certificate or gender reassignment - before Starmer gets in.

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Or my favourite, that she doesn't allow her DH to abuse her. Talk about missing the point!

Some of those responses are very strange. Like the poster who basically says ‘it won’t happen to me because I choose not live with a man’. What difference does it make whether you live together or not?

And another poster who doesn’t understand why women don’t leave when the man shows signs of being controlling. They obviously haven’t experienced an obsessive and stalky ex. Or read the many news stories about women murdered by their ex partners.

I can't believe Labour is STILL pushing ahead with this after all that's happened. We are SO sunk if Labour wins next year and I fear they will no matter what. I fear a landslide and we're so sunk then we'll be at the bottom of the sea. We can't do anything once that happens. He'll have the votes and if it's in the manifesto the Lords can't stop it under the Salisbury Convention. He will say, people want this. People voted for this. It all feels so futile right now. We aren't listened to. How many women are going to be imprisoned with rapists - which Lisa Nandy supports!? How many women will get abused in toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, intimate care, refuges? Our spaces are gone. Predators given the green light. Men told you can go anywhere you want and do anything you want. Indecent exposure will no longer be a crime - how could it be when there is no such thing as a man flashing his penis when he calls himself a woman!?

Why is Starmer doing this WHY!? Why is he so tin-eared!? If he can't read the room on this what else can't he read the room on? I wept with relief and joy when Blair won in 1997 even tho I had my doubts as many of us did. I'll be weeping with fear, rage, anger and terror if Starmer wins a landslide next year.

I think there's been a bit of an invasion lately, to be honest.

Well of course. And women can't possibly have issues that are important to them that men don't care about.

I think I'll spoil my ballot. Probably with: WOMAN - ADULT HUMAN FEMALE. None of the above.

I won't vote Labour but I cannot and will not ever vote Tory.

I agree, Steph. I've said before I won't vote Labour whilst they have this policy, despite the fact I believe a Lab govt is needed. I'm not prepared to vote Tory, though. Still, Keir, 40 million American women (was it?) voted for the pussy-grabber, so you might be in luck, eh?

I think the time has come where women don't really have a choice but to be single issue voters. If women decide that the economy is more important right now and deprioritise this issue, where does that leave us? It leaves women with nothing but the task of rebuilding our whole identity and infrastructure. The men aren't coming to help, they just won't. As a group, with excellent exceptions, they just don't care about women and therefore can't understand women. Even many of the nice ones.

I do wonder if that is what Kier is thinking that we will just go along with it because Labour good Conservative bad.

Not this woman Kier, I've definitely reached the point where I'll vote Tory to keep Labour out.

I've never done before, I've always voted Labour, even when not impressed with some of what they are doing. However I am a one issue voter this time.

Presumably Labour assume that many women will hold their noses and vote for them anyway. Unless their bloody focus groups tell them different. So tone deaf, though.

I am watching zelenskys address. Such a shocking situation and excellent speech but when I watched the crowd I just thought how many men. How are lives are so intrinsically linked to the whims of these powerful men, and how dependent we are on our strong brave men to fight for freedom. Not saying women can’t fight but let’s be honest the majority of armed forces are men as women often stay to look after the children.

But we can have more women standing in that room. How can we get more women into power. I am not saying women are flawless but I do believe our tendency to massacre individuals or whole countries is less. How can we lift other women up and shift this disbalance. Not just in the U.K. but across the globe.

I don’t have an answer but Wednesday thoughts