Women's rights general conversations - Thread 3

Sorry, *stance

I have no idea of this writer's stanch on gi but from my viewpoint this Guardian article seems terribly terfy

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/25/feminism-men-putin-trump-abusive-men-dictators?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1677324825

Found it! And managed a pun that hasn't been used yet.

Yes, it's all wonderfully silly.

The police one?

I don't know if you've seen it mach but the last 20 or so posts on the KJK v The Police thread are made for you.

Noticed this on the We Are Fair Cop twitter, a female only society looking for members and support at Bristol University

twitter.com/WomenTalk_Back/status/1628860250320166912?s=20

I know. Absolutely shocking abnegation of professional standards and duty. Not to mention, completely neglectful of adult responsibility.

The psychiatrist responsible completely exonerates himself: “You cried and you manipulated me. You manipulated me by crying, but I knew that the sex change was not going to make you feel better.”

Exonerates? Wtf sort of psychiatrist allows themself to be manipulated by tears?

Also sobering, the Article on AGP by Lorelei thread and the link it contains.

I just read the 'concluding thoughts' bit of that BMJ article. Sobering - seeing what facts and figures there are set out like that.

Just awful. Still having periods? We'll just remove your uterus as well. What happened to, first, do no harm?

There's a thread about a very interesting BMJ article looking at the (lack of) evidence base for gender care - and it mentions that 2 recent studies show that between 20 and 30% of those who start hormone treatment stop it within a few years. So there are probably multiple Keira Bells in all countries with medical that are going along with this.

Looks like there's a Spanish Kiera Bell:

www.amandafamilias.org/post/the-first-trans-with-regret-challenges-the-public-health-system

The psychiatrist responsible completely exonerates himself: “You cried and you manipulated me. You manipulated me by crying, but I knew that the sex change was not going to make you feel better.”

What a horror show.

Noticed this news piece when following a link about ss being misgendered 😔
Didn't think it deserved its own thread but, if I understand it correctly, a toilet pervert was caught because a member of staff noticed a man going into the women's toilet. Good men stay out so the bad ones get noticed.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/pervert-banned-every-uk-mcdonalds-26318966#

I'll take it from anywhere right now.

Lawls knows me of old so don't lynch me when I say "Ooooh! Matron!"

You could put Starmer in a black shirt. He wouldn't look too bad.

But seriously, agree with Lawls about a missing sense of humour in his case, coupled with his authoritarian nasty streak makes him difficult to like. And the rest of the shadow cab don't impress much either.

Shake your head...

I recall Thatcher was said not to have a sense of humour either and jokes had to be explained to her.

So do I, to be honest.

I can't vote Labour either and yes for me too it isn't just about TWA. It's also about Brexit. And I can't stand Starmer. I just don't trust him. I heard somewhere, forget where now, from someone who said they were at school with him that he has no sense of humour. That worries me. A lack of a sense of humour tends to also indicate a lack of self awareness, a refusal to listen to anyone who disagrees. A certainty one is right. Not good! Say all you want about Blair but he did, and does, have a sense of humour and a self awareness - I've read his autobiography. He knows how others see him. It may not change his mind but he's aware.

I don't think Liz Truss had a sense of humour either and Johnson for all his "Oh he's such fun!" categorisation is just a clown trying to get laughs because he badly needs to be liked.

I recall Thatcher was said not to have a sense of humour either and jokes had to be explained to her. I'm not sure she had much self awareness either. For sure she never had a happy day after being forced from office.

William Hague has a sense of humour - he's a good writer. Ditto Major. They seem so human compared with what we have now.

Anyway I have digressed more than somewhat. Point being, I don't feel able to vote for any of the clowns asking for my X. I feel not just a true antipathy to the lot of them but a real, genuine, gut-wrenching loathing for their mediocrity, their uselessness, their gutlessness and their worthlessness. They're all shit basically. And I used to loathe people who said that! Oh, they're all the same. Well finally I'm on same page as them. Yes they are. All mediocre and utterly useless. We crave decent leadership. I'll take it from anywhere right now. I wonder if we'll ever have it again?

That reminds me - I just went there to post a thing and got distracted by the 'safe space' lie. I'll drop it here too. Interesting Labour policy docs:

twitter.com/female_union/status/1628041548167368704?

These are from 2018, so things may have changed. But some interesting points to question with canvassers and in letters to MPs.

I remember Andy Capp. I saw something the other week which reminded me that they made a sitcom or something like that starring James Bolam.

I'm so grateful for this thread, a place to talk about all our doubts and fears without being called an actual Nazi is a v good thing. I think I'd start to believe that I was a total callous bigot if there weren't others to remind me that it's not all in my head. Also, getting called a Nazi when you're not a Nazi pretty much helps you realise that whatever side of history you're on it's definitely not completely wrong.

Just noticed kitkat was trending, thought Mhairi had been up to something but no, just a wafer biscuit. Which, thinking about it, would really hurt if rubbed into your gums.

Anyone remember Andy Capp? Looks like he wasn't an outlier 🤣