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Dd ran away to be with trans lover and refuses to return

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Moomoola · 11/01/2023 08:15

Hi, I was posting in the teens section and got some good ad vice and a suggestion that I post here.
here’s a link to that thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/teenagers/4699011-sil-cancelled-visit-as-our-dd-wants-to-be-a-man?page=1
im using ‘dd’and ‘she’ to keep things simple.
basically dd at 15 decided she was trans and I took her to get some boys clothes and didn’t pay it enough attention. To my naive mind it’s not (or wasn’t ) an issue.
Shes now 17 and started to date a girl ( x) who is 17, who’s parents paid for male hormones since 15. That was some concern as obv. X will have been through a lot. Dd mentioned that x has some mental struggles, the mum hides vodka. Dd is pretty naive, has had a few challenges and can be gullible.
in the last 3 months dd was clearly struggling.
just befor Xmas I made her a cuppa and she had vanished. We tracked her down to x house which she refused to leave. It was ibvioly coordinated as there was a lot of phone alerts and the dad had obviously come to collect her.
I asked the mum to send her back as it was Xmas day and we were concerned. I get a text back from dd saying the mum doesn’t want to be involved and why did I deadname her.
The mum obviously didn’t need to show the text to dd. There are other red flags that the mum is stirring. We got texts from dd saying we are abusive transphobes. If we try and talk rationally that’s conversion therapy. We are concerned that dd is being encouraged to write these. The grammar is sometimes too good to be dds. Any ‘friendly’ texts seem to be late at night. Though I may be overthinking that.
live managed to see dd twice so at least we are talking, but it’s as if dd is hardening herself from us. She has decided to live with x and her mum and is in love and considering top surgery as she has dysmorphia. At least she is still going to school.
we registered it with the police who said this is happening a lot and it’s a pattern.
we are not concerned about the trans thing as such, though obviously that’s part of it, we are very concerned that since dating x, a seemingly happy dd got increasingly depressed and convinced we were transphobic to the point that she had to run to xs house where she feels supported, and we feel she is being love bombed, isolated from us and coerced into thinking she also needs hormones etc.
we are getting nowhere. I seem to be living in a dystopian world where everyone has fake smiles and suggests we call her by her new name and everything will be marvellous.
live contacted Bayswater group, and I’m posting here as suggested by a pp in case anyone can suggest anything else I can do. For dd but also Dh and ds. Dh obviously distraught the more he reads and ds is spending more and more time alone on his phone.
Many thanks.

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Zebracat · 16/05/2023 17:25

How did the therapist get that so wrong? I wouldn’t go. Sounds like bollocks.

Moomoola · 16/05/2023 15:50

Yup. Agree, totally. Nasty. Misogynistic. Deliberately wrenching open all the natural little cracks of rebellion etc.
Who knew I was transphobic? Maybe I'm 'unknown long term effects of testosterone on adolescent girlsphobic' I'm really cross at being labeled without a fair trial. But that's never happened..oh wait.

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Delphinium20 · 16/05/2023 15:25

Moomoola · 16/05/2023 14:59

Oops therapist got it wrong . Apparently she said she wants space and dad is normal and I'm utterly transphobic due to the millions of things I've said about trans people and drag queens. Well yes, I don't like Ru Pauls make up. Too agressive. But I do like a bit of Paul o Grady. Or hinge and bracket ! I am that old ( just)

Ohhhh...this makes me angry! Not at your DD, she's been gaslit, but at the misogynistic trans narrative peddled to our kids.

Moms/mums, WE are the baddies. WE are the awful ones. Why? Because we are women. Because being a mother is the most obvious physical symbol of the biological reality of being female (and this holds true for adoptive moms too cause society automatically ascribes ALL the care duties to the female parent and also all the blame when things go wrong).

Moomoola · 16/05/2023 14:59

Oops therapist got it wrong . Apparently she said she wants space and dad is normal and I'm utterly transphobic due to the millions of things I've said about trans people and drag queens. Well yes, I don't like Ru Pauls make up. Too agressive. But I do like a bit of Paul o Grady. Or hinge and bracket ! I am that old ( just)

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Moomoola · 16/05/2023 14:43

And ..re your post about the child trust fund cloglady due to my utter incompetence and forgetting to update address, it's worth 60 quid. Not going to be happy faces at the birthday party 🥳

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Moomoola · 16/05/2023 14:37

F*k me, you're brilliant

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 16/05/2023 14:12

Dear FamilyTherapistOfMoomola,

GenderGP are very definitely available in the UK although they are based overseas. You can google them easily enough and see their service and price list for yourself, nicely laid out. They will even answer questions from family members (by agreement) at a cost of £60 per session.

GenderGP prescribe hormones to adults based on two online interviews and little else. They don't require a patient to have earlier contact with any other medical or psychological professionals, they operate on an "informed consent" basis and may go ahead with medical prescription if an adult tells them they have co-morbidities. Counselling is wholly optional and costs money, of course. They don't prescribe hormones without evidence of regular blood tests, available in the UK at a fee from a local clinic or else from a free NHS clinic.

You can see their pathway for yourself, it's on their website and they make no bones about it.

Kindly take your head out of your arse.

Love,

MumOfYoungTransAdult

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Moomoola · 16/05/2023 11:45

Thank you bread I’m aware of that sub stack - it’s a life saver - like you guys all are. This is also good - from a detransitioner, the link is here https://pitt.substack.com/p/back-from-the-other-side. They’ve written..

When any tragedy hits a child, parents are usually surrounded by family members, friends, medical team, social groups and institutions that provide help navigating this difficult journey. But when you are the common-sensical parent who is not jumping on the trans band wagon, who is not buying the trans narrative, who asks the right questions, exposes the inconvenient facts and urges caution regarding gender affirming practices of all kinds (or should I say more accurately mental illness affirming), you become the villain of the story. And those very folks and institutions that used to be there for you now label you as an intolerant hateful bigot who wants their kid to die. As a result, you get socially ostracized and alienated from your own kid.
yup. Also by your woke mates.
and this, by Helen joyce…

The specific people who are going to be most angry are those who have made irrevocable choices on the basis that the rest of us would go along with those choices. Most of all the parents who transitioned their own children, because if you transition your own child you are in effect making a promise to that child that the whole world is going to step in line for the entire rest of that child’s life, and now there’s people like me saying, actually that’s not going to happen. You can tell your boy that he’s your daughter if you like but he’s not going to be able to play in women’s sports, and I’m going to fight tooth and nail to get him out of women’s changing rooms as well. Those people are all in. They’ve bet the house. They bet their lives on an ideology that we’re now fighting back against. They’re going to fight to the death on this.”
and of course, this is who DD is living with.

what is a massive concern is that we went to the family therapist. He tells us we are overreacting and NHS queues are long. He didnt believe me that you can buy it online, that gender gp was a thing. I mean what?

it seems DD has been seeing someone at the same place running the LGBTQ project. How do we know she’s not being affirmed? They say not, but there’s also an LGBTQ club which I have concerns about - buried in the website is their link to LGBTyouth Scotland, who push this stuff everywhere with their ‘silver charter’ and dodgy puberty blocker and grooming side issues.
she’s being immersed in this stuff 24/7.

Last week the family therapist talked to DD on her own - they won’t say what she said, ffs. But apparently she’d like to take it slowly and she’s willing to talk to me. So of course DH is in bits. I am worried about his health - he won’t take time off, and has tons of work on, and this.
red and delp that is a great approach and I’ll use it if she does deign to talk.
mum thanks, that’s good advice. I don’t want to start and then let them down again. I’m also mucking up my One day a week job atm. I was too upset to go to a jolly/meeting, which didn’t go down too well. And barely scraped through the actual day. F nose how DH is managing. His friend said , oh what I do is difficult but nothing like what your DH does.’

i can’t believe this! DH has form for being anxious but every OTT prediction he has made is happening.

Back from the other side

Being the parent of a trans child of any age is probably the most dreadful and soul crushing experience a parent can go through. When any tragedy hits a child, parents are usually surrounded by family members, friends, medical team, social groups and i...

https://pitt.substack.com/p/back-from-the-other-side

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 15/05/2023 21:25

Hello @Moomoola , hope you're doing OK. Just wanted to say, if you want to go back to work more hours then go ahead and do it. More things than money are important, if going to work helps to keep your head straight then that's worth a million quid.

Delphinium20 · 13/05/2023 06:41

but it might be good for her to learn that she can help you, an adult, in some way.

Red is very wise.

I have seen this with my own DD18. I was struggling with a health condition and trying to do it all. DD is on her gap year and I didn't want to interfere w/ her plans, but when I finally decided to share with her how hard things have been for me, DD stepped up and kind of came to my rescue, ran errands for the weeks I was getting treatments, cooked for us and even planned a bday party (small) for her DGM. Honestly, I'd NEVER seen her acting so mature but she kicked it into gear when I said, "I need help."

Redbird87 · 13/05/2023 02:41

@Moomoola I'm sorry you guys are being played, it reminds me of when you're in middle school and watching the mean girls manipulate situations.

I had a weird idea just now. Was gonna offer some advice for just dealing with stuff, bc as an extremely fussy, high-maintenance person it's one of the only things I can offer lol. But it occurred to me, she's had anxiety before, right? What if, despite everything going on right now, you ask how she'd cope through an anxiety attack? She might have some insight from experience, it could help some of the awful feelings you're having, and offering wisdom from a place of experience might be good for her.

Idk if that makes sense, but hope it does. In my culture, living through things, having a special wisdom that can't be taught, only learned, is an important part of becoming an adult. DD is being a butthole, but it might be good for her to learn that she can help you, an adult, in some way.

BreadInCaptivity · 12/05/2023 22:31

@Moomoola

I am not sure if you are aware of this substack, but I’ve created a thread that may be of interest to you.

@strugglingteenmum

I've created a thread signposting to a resource you may find helpful.

PITT: Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4804899-pitt-parents-with-inconvenient-truths-about-trans

PITT: Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans | Mumsnet

I couldn't find a thread with reference to this resource. I've linked below to the particularly powerful testimony of one parent whose daug...

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4804899-pitt-parents-with-inconvenient-truths-about-trans

Moomoola · 12/05/2023 08:18

Hugs to everyone, esp. parents in Scotland with new puberty blocker guides.

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Moomoola · 12/05/2023 08:09

So..actually the answer is, f. Nose. I’m so confused about EVERYTHING!

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Moomoola · 12/05/2023 08:08

Thanks mrs overton so nice to hear from you!
thnaak you for the selective ignoring advice. It’s thanks to you guys that it’s dawned on me it’s prodding for a reaction . I hope anyway.
Thanks for asking about little old me!
That’s a good point. I still do one afternoon a week (!) but think often about returning to my main job tbh. I’m the DIY queen as a handyman charges a LOT more than I earn. So it makes financial sens, I guess. But yes, do miss people and validation. And I am getting slower! but omg, the house needs a lot of tlc!

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/05/2023 07:28

You must be exhausted with it all Moomoola. I think you're right - selective ignoring when you're being prodded for a reaction. Lots of self care and positive activities with DS.
I know you stopped work at DH's suggestion. How's that going for you?

Moomoola · 12/05/2023 07:21

Omg thanks hag that hadn’t occurred to me. Yes, we are being played.
Now DH who was evil apparantly, gets a random text about her college interview going well. He suspects it’s because she’ll be wanting money to go.
I get a text saying she doesn’t feel like talking to me as I was so transphobic.
I texted ‘eh?’ And got a reply that when she said she was going to take T, I was being transphobic and she just wanted to enjoy her night out.
?!
well I couldn’t think how to justify myself regarding T in a text. So I texted, ‘ oh yeah!’ … ‘how was your night out?’ Well it made me laugh. It would have made her laugh once.
im SO over feeling like this!

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HagoftheNorth · 11/05/2023 22:54

💐🍷thinking of you Moomoola

i’m guessing the T thing is not unconnected with you having so successfully dropped the rope. X will definitely have been aware of the lack of things to criticise, and may well be trying to prompt a reaction. It’s properly scary :-(

You know that, essentially you can’t really do anything, so I think you have to just accept that, and hope that NHS waiting times are on your side. Maybe just go back to the not-too-frequent light, bright texts you were sending before?

Moomoola · 11/05/2023 18:45

Ugh. Mini rant ! We are both stressed af. DH telling me I need to speak up in therapy next week. I need to be passionate and say this and that. Well ok then. I can't make him understand that I don't feel like that in the session - it's a grey office. Actually I'm not sure I feel that at all. Don't know what I feel. The trans thing is fin except for T, oh and weaponising it, and using it to get into our spaces etc.. I just chatted to a cool 18 yr old who said, use pronouns and name, don't mention trans - talk about anything else. Anything you say will be transphobic, and you are parents so don't even bother. loads of his mates are trans or tarty, the ' normals' are now a tiny group in the middle
Sounds like letting the rope go is right , apart from the T bombshell. And again I say, grrrr.

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Moomoola · 11/05/2023 17:47

Thanksclog I'm so sorry, what should be nice is a worry. I really hope middle one is thinking cool clothes and car deposit. DD won't know about it, but I'm guessing X will be on the case.
Sorry to drone on while everyone has massive worries too.
If anyone is looking, genspect leaflets on stuff parents should know is very good.
Am supposed to network tonight, so not in the mood.

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TheClogLady · 11/05/2023 12:55

Every kid got at least £250 and if the parents didn’t invest it, the government did.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/saving/article-6131715/amp/Is-child-sitting-2-000-windfall.html

Lots of parents have forgotten all about these accounts but our teens know, because they get a leaflet at school, telling them how to find it.

Even if you personally did nothing, your DD likely has at least £1000 in her CFT.

I have big age gaps between my kids and it’s only the middle one (the one who identifies as trans) who has this pot of cash coming 😬🤦‍♀️

Is YOUR child sitting on a £2,000 windfall?

Around two-thirds of this is taxpayers' money that was given to parents to invest on behalf of their children and will be wasted unless it can be reunited with them.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/saving/article-6131715/amp/Is-child-sitting-2-000-windfall.html

Moomoola · 11/05/2023 12:31

Thanks so much for getting back clog the websites opened up a whole world of insanity. Luckily we live fairly rurally and don't appear to be on a list.
Im so sorry regarding your son, it's insane.
Luckily I forgot about/was too broke to d the new labour thing. But thanks, will check it.

They know exactly how powerless we parents are too, because it’s part of the online trans discourse.
It is so, so nasty.

Apropos of nothing really, I chanced on old TV - the goodies - last night. Tim? Thingy dressed as a woman somehow gets into the ladies showers and doesn't know where to look. But manages to peek at the lovely naked ladies. It was funny ( I guess) it's Now a great illustration of men claiming to be trans actually like what they see. Yik.
Time to stop rambling, thank you clog

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TheClogLady · 11/05/2023 11:53

There are a few transactivist-compiled resources online, try googling ‘trans friendly gp’ and the name of the town/city.

Unfortunately, we parents have absolutely no say beyond 18 unless our now-technically-adult children have expressly given permission for authorities to info-share with us (eg I can talk to the GP and DWP on behalf of my almost 23 year old son because we filled out the permission paperwork and he signed it - however we never got around to organising the same with uni which meant I was completely frozen out, even when he desperately needed someone due to be over a hundred miles from home and having a bit of a mental health crisis kid covid lockdowns).

I’m so sorry. It’s a nightmare. The laws are all hodgepodged and mismatched - we can get child benefit for them until they are 19 (if still attending college) but they are considered Gillick Competent (and thus able to forbid the GP from info sharing with us) from approx 13.

They know exactly how powerless we parents are too, because it’s part of the online trans discourse.

Does your daughter know about her New Labour Child Trust Fund? We’ve got approx 9 birth years worth of teens coming of age with at least a 2 grand lump sum they can access on their 18th birthdays and parents cannot do a thing to stop it.

Once they get their national insurance number they can apply to take over the adminning of the account and can withdraw the funds on their 18th birthdays.

I realise it’s frightening but the law says they are fully adult from 18 and we have no say over anything at all (although are still largely expected to pick up the pieces when they make disastrous choices).

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