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Transmaxxing

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pattihews · 07/01/2023 15:48

Article in Unherd by Mary Harrington about 'transmaxxing', a phenomenon in which young men transition because they can, not because they have dysphoria but in some vague hope of having sex with sympathetic women.

It's reminded me of Ollie London, who assumed that just because you can do something (in his case have surgery to make him look Korean) it's okay. No ideological awareness, no ethics, just a why not? kind of attitude.

unherd.com/thepost/why-are-incels-turning-themselves-into-girls/

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EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 19:59

Looks like an anti-woke absurdist protest to me, so yes, satirical.

not against any law in Canada though, as I understand it.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 19:56

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 19:50

got a link?

Can you not tell by looking at the photos? What is it you require to make an assessment?

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 19:56

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 19:50

got a link?

ELO you can easily google any number of links about this person. The Canadian School Board has defended their right to show up to school to teach children dressed like this.

"In an initial statement, defending the teacher, the school said: "As a school within the Halton District School Board (HDSB), Oakville Trafalgar High School recognises the rights of students, staff, parents/guardians and community members to equitable treatment without discrimination based upon gender identity and gender expression.
"We strive to promote a positive learning environment in schools consistent with the values of the HDSB and to ensure a safe and inclusive environment for all students, staff and the community, regardless of race, age, ability, sex, gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, cultural observance, socioeconomic circumstances or body type/size."

Just from a random page.

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 19:52

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 19:44

Is the Canadian teacher, pictured above, satire?

Not as far as I have read. Pupils claim to have been threatened with expulsion or suspension if they speak out about this (transphobic dont'cha' know).

Even if it is a hoax to prove some kind of point, it still exposes the ridiculous ideology in all it's glory.

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 19:50

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 19:44

Is the Canadian teacher, pictured above, satire?

got a link?

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 19:50

Why do you believe it is satire?

There is a manifesto from a Scottish group on what constitutes transphobia that looked like satire but was absolutely serious?

And wasn’t there that micro-aggression in the toilet discussion that looked like satire that was also serious. The one that said any female who left the toilet after seeing a male in their single sex toilet was transphobic.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 19:44

Is the Canadian teacher, pictured above, satire?

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 19:41

nauticant · 10/01/2023 17:14

What is it you want a comment on?

Under what circumstances do you think it is permissible to say "I reject your asserted trans identity as simply being made-up?"

When it’s obviously being asserted as a joke/satire.

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 19:38

"accept any nonsense to the point that they would be fine with a guy in fetish gear teaching a reception class because it's an expression of his true self."

We're not that far away.

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Wellies54 · 10/01/2023 18:41

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 18:04

"Alex Drummond who ( rather patronizingly) thinks he's 'broadening the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman' by wearing a skirt, having a beard and knowing a bit about car mechanics"

Yeah. I always have laughed at that.

At 15/16 I was pulling my car apart with the help of a DIY manual and cleaning the spark plugs with my dad's farm tools. I used to put on some unisex trousers and brogues and a t-shirt and head to the nightclub with my mates (yes... underage but music good and no money for alcohol so was fine). Still a female!

Alex Drummond has no fucking idea what being a 'woman' means. Alex is one walking stereotype of a male who thinks they act like a woman without understanding they are just a fucking stereotype of a male's perception of what 'broadening the definition of woman' is. I think Alex needs to meet more interesting females outside the bubble they live in personally.

Exactly! And I bet you didn't make a video to inform other women they could be so revolutionary too!

The thing with this transmaxxer idea is, once you allow one man to say he's actually a woman, it becomes discrimination against other men to say they can't say they're a woman too so there really is no cut off point from sensible to utterly ridiculous or plain old dangerous, from full time to part time to just trying it out for the day. ( And we can't have discrimination now, can we?)

I really am interested to find out whether those who are defending the idea of gender ideology ever reach a point where they say it's gone too far or whether they are SO determined to never be called 'transphobic' that they will literally accept any nonsense to the point that they would be fine with a guy in fetish gear teaching a reception class because it's an expression of his true self.

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 18:06

I used to put on some unisex trousers and brogues and a t-shirt and head to the nightclub with my mates (yes... underage but music good and no money for alcohol so was fine).

Which was a play on AD's, put on a dress etc. But it was true.

(And yes, I was unlicensed. I didn't say I drove myself into town! I am not that irresponsible!)

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 18:04

"Alex Drummond who ( rather patronizingly) thinks he's 'broadening the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman' by wearing a skirt, having a beard and knowing a bit about car mechanics"

Yeah. I always have laughed at that.

At 15/16 I was pulling my car apart with the help of a DIY manual and cleaning the spark plugs with my dad's farm tools. I used to put on some unisex trousers and brogues and a t-shirt and head to the nightclub with my mates (yes... underage but music good and no money for alcohol so was fine). Still a female!

Alex Drummond has no fucking idea what being a 'woman' means. Alex is one walking stereotype of a male who thinks they act like a woman without understanding they are just a fucking stereotype of a male's perception of what 'broadening the definition of woman' is. I think Alex needs to meet more interesting females outside the bubble they live in personally.

Wellies54 · 10/01/2023 17:58

@EastLondonObserver Obviously asking for your opinion, to understand the perspective of someone who has a very different view. I have my own opinion on this!

Wellies54 · 10/01/2023 17:56

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 16:51

What is it you want a comment on?

How about, are Dylan Mulvaney, Canadian fake boob teacher and Karen White all equally authentic transwomen - do you believe they all have some kind of 'female brain ' in their masculine bodies? Do you think a man who has surgery, takes hormones and spends years perfecting make up, womanly mannerisms and feminine clothing because they experience severe body dysmorphia is equally a transwoman as Alex Drummond who ( rather patronizingly) thinks he's 'broadening the bandwidth of what it means to be a woman' by wearing a skirt, having a beard and knowing a bit about car mechanics? Should all or any of these people be considered women, no different to the sort who were born with wombs and ovaries?

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 17:44
  1. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 17:43

I think the suggestion is that women are not capable of discerning which males are 'joking' and which are in earnest about 'being a woman'. So we should wait for a male to judge and instruct us accordingly, yes?

nauticant · 10/01/2023 17:14

What is it you want a comment on?

Under what circumstances do you think it is permissible to say "I reject your asserted trans identity as simply being made-up?"

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 17:07

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 16:51

What is it you want a comment on?

How about reading the thread?

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 16:51

Wellies54 · 10/01/2023 16:39

I love all the comments above! So clear and to the point. No comment yet from ELO. Do you think 'the youth of today' have the impression that in our teens we all sat around in frilly knee length socks, doing embroidery and waiting for a husband? They really have no idea how ridiculously regressive they are in their obsession with gender stereotypes.

What is it you want a comment on?

ReunitedThorns · 10/01/2023 16:50

I still find it perplexing that you can't get a tattoo until you're 18, but you can get cross-sex hormones (and surgery, even though they claim it doesn't happen) under the age of 18.

Some things are age-restricted to stop children doing stupid things that they are likely to regret later in life.

Wellies54 · 10/01/2023 16:39

I love all the comments above! So clear and to the point. No comment yet from ELO. Do you think 'the youth of today' have the impression that in our teens we all sat around in frilly knee length socks, doing embroidery and waiting for a husband? They really have no idea how ridiculously regressive they are in their obsession with gender stereotypes.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 10/01/2023 16:38

EastLondonObserver · 09/01/2023 22:20

If it’s said ironically and accompanied by a ‘manifesto’ with ridiculous jokey cartoons in it, then yes you are.

I have to agree that trans orgs that produce “manifestos” don’t necessarily have as much credibility as you might possibly wish for, as Action for Trans Health ably demonstrated back in December 2017:

archive.today/2017.12.17-174634/edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

This fine piece of not-irony (apparently) demanded the right for trans people to perform medical experiments on each other, and to get away with murder (and rape, and anything else) scot free, among other not remotely batshit ideas.

So we’re free to dismiss the ramblings of ATH, according to ELO, presumably along with all the evidence that august org has provided to various parliamentary committees etc.

Oh but hang on, if they’re giving evidence to parliament, that means somebody somewhere is actually taking them seriously and they are indeed a credible org, doesn’t it?

So confusing.

But at least we can discount anything that comes from a sm account with a ridiculous anime avatar, right? Which covers about 90% of TRAs straight off the bat.

Which does make one wonder if ELO isn’t actually being a bit transphobic here, all this refusing to believe that people are what they say they are and whatnot. Hmm.

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 15:46

I used to think of myself as Sebastian Sinclair in my head. It was a coping mechanism for all the sexist shite and objectification I saw around me.

Talking to two of the female trans teenagers I know, they are doing the same thing. Except they are fully convinced that they CAN change sex, and that they pass as male. They don't pass at all, but you cannot make this shit up.

Beowulfa · 10/01/2023 15:43

Have we got an answer yet as to why the transmaxxers are taking the piss, but a 60 year old male insisting that wearing a frock and lipstick means he's in "girl mode" is not?

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