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Sex Equality and Equity Network - Gender crit network for civil servants.

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fromorbit · 10/11/2022 10:06

Important new initiative for government workers. This is where a huge fight back is going to happen in behind the scenes government, in memos and meetings. If we don't win in the civil service, it doesn't matter how many demos or cases we win, how many twitter threads we write, sooner or later sex differences will be erased. If you work in government/public sector get involved asp.

seen-network.uk/

"We are happy to announce the launch of our new UK cross-government staff network, the Sex Equality and Equity Network.
SEEN is a staff network committed to promoting and supporting sex equality and equity between women and men in our workplaces, and helping all staff to thrive at work and fulfil their potential. The focus of our network is on challenging sex discrimination and upholding rights and protections that relate to sex (including the protections provided to those with the protected characteristics of sex, pregnancy and maternity and sexual orientation, as set out in the Equality Act 2010). We recognise that to achieve this and ensure sex equality and equity sometimes requires treating women and men differently, according to our different rights and needs.

We are also committed to the protected belief (covered by the protected characteristic of religion and belief in the Equality Act 2010) that biological sex is binary and immutable, that biological sex matters for both women and men in our everyday lives, including for our rights and needs in the workplace, and that biological sex must not be conflated with, or replaced by, the concepts of gender or gender identity."

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Hepwo · 04/07/2023 08:46

You can see clearly which departments have the most trans activists.

The department of science! What laughs. I bet their colleagues must have very rolly eyes.

Much sympathy.

If an employee survey got 800 ticks for an issue out of a potential of almost half a million it's not even registering as an issue of any importance.

As of March 2023, there were 488,400 full-time equivalent (FTE) civil servants

This just says it's irrelevant to me.

Hepwo · 04/07/2023 08:36

Major? 800 odd voters?

No.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 04/07/2023 08:29

I meant in terms of influence over policy. I don’t know about your department, but we always consult the major networks as part of any wide-ranging equality assessment when producing key strategies, target operating models etc.

Hepwo · 04/07/2023 08:24

BenCoopersSupportWren · 04/07/2023 08:23

And yet the influence he’ll have over the tens of thousands in the CS, off the back of a couple of hundred people’s vote…

Will he though? Barely any one seems interested. That's not influence.

Hepwo · 04/07/2023 08:23

Also this joint ticket thing is a bit of a farce really.
The next two combined have 60 percent of the votes.

Candidate % of votes Rank
Saorsa-Amatheia Tweedale and Jefferson Welsby 30 % 1
Nic Turner 27 % 2
Ross Starkie 23 % 3
Eamon Evans 14 % 4
Re-open nominations 1 % 5

BenCoopersSupportWren · 04/07/2023 08:23

And yet the influence he’ll have over the tens of thousands in the CS, off the back of a couple of hundred people’s vote…

Hepwo · 04/07/2023 08:10

Hilarious!

https://www.civilservice.lgbt/election/2023/votes

You can see which department voted for who here. The EHRC network voted for him among others.

56 Civil Service organisations were eligible to vote in this election, having met the criteria for eligibility prior to the close of the voting period.

24 LGBT+ networks submitted a valid vote before the deadline. Across the 24 networks, 853 people voted in their internal elections.

Tiny numbers voted. He's a representative of a couple of hundred people. (30 percent of the vote.)

The sheer weight of disinterest is far more interesting. Hardly anyone cares.

Election 2023: Election results

See the results of the 2023 Chair's election.

https://www.civilservice.lgbt/election/2023/votes

SinnerBoy · 04/07/2023 07:51

I'll just drop this here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12260447/Civil-servant-likened-womens-rights-groups-far-right-head-Whitehalls-LGBT-network.html

In their role as a rep for the Public and Commercial Services (PCS) trade union, they recently called on its executive to ‘produce an information leaflet and organise a campaign for members which highlights the links between the far-Right, religious fundamentalist, and gender critical ideologies and many of their supporters’.

He also said:

...fascists giving Nazi salutes have been ‘welcomed’ on rallies by gender-critical campaigners and alleged that some leaders of the movement have made ‘statements of a genocidal nature’.

How's he not only allowed to get away with such egregious lies, but be promoted into such a position?

Civil servant made head of Whitehall's LGBT+ network

Saorsa-Amatheia Tweedale, who has likened women's rights to far-Right groups, was elected co-chair of Whitehall's LGBT+ Network alongside a colleague, Jefferson Welsby,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12260447/Civil-servant-likened-womens-rights-groups-far-right-head-Whitehalls-LGBT-network.html

Justforthissnippet · 04/07/2023 05:33

They will take case law into account when preparing advice on probability of winning cases (and would need to be bound to it for value for money purposes) so will make the chances of them taking action against people in the first place lower, plus will hopefully eventually filter down to HR and legal central guidance/direction to departments. In the old days it would have done anyway!

Tallisker · 02/07/2023 20:53

Yes indeed, Scrolling. Can't remember what the legal bill was, but Allison's is around three quarters of a million.

And don't get me started on that COL thing, Ben. What a shower of shite. Big announcement of a good thing to happen, then months of wrangling, we're still not paid it, and prices still keep going up and up.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 02/07/2023 19:40

It’s not just the payout, it’s the reputational damage and the optics.

“Oh sorry, we can’t pay you the £1500 COL bonus because we still haven’t learned from case precedent and have had to pay out six figure sums for discriminating against and bullying women who think men can’t become women”…not a great look, is it?

ScrollingLeaves · 02/07/2023 18:57

Tallisker · Yesterday 08:45
I'm wondering if Maya's compensation award will send any tremors through the capture of the civil service. There has been a lot of noise previously on Yammer about how the result of her employment tribunal didn't mean anything really.

Yeah, right. Only about £100k

What about all the money her case cost? It is so unfair that that had to be raised by ordinary people who may not have money to spare just to get basic justice for Maya.

It is not that easy to raise it. Won’t the Civil Service just think most people would not try?

FemaleAndLearning · 02/07/2023 11:37

The aggravated injury part should make a big difference.
Anyone in UKRI?

Tallisker · 01/07/2023 08:45

I'm wondering if Maya's compensation award will send any tremors through the capture of the civil service. There has been a lot of noise previously on Yammer about how the result of her employment tribunal didn't mean anything really.

Yeah, right. Only about £100k Grin

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TalliskerMcSpeculate · 12/03/2023 19:47

Acksherly, out of interest, does anyone know why the in-person IWD cross-gov Manchester thing changed to virtual? Apparently there was a problem with the booking at the venue and I'd be interested to know what the problem was (having just read about Porty library and the Derby IWD thing)

EnoughPlayingNice · 12/03/2023 18:24

And the link was posted on a lot of FWR threads.

TalliskerMcSpeculate · 12/03/2023 18:07

notsure SEEN is the cross-government Sex Equality and Equity Network, which campaigns for sex to matter when it matters - most of the civil service is well captured and everything is 'gender'. So yes, it is linked in that the petition and the network have the same aims, in that sex matters, and is the protected characteristic, not gender identity.

notsurewherenotsurewhy · 12/03/2023 17:36

ScrollingLeaves · 10/03/2023 13:52

A reminder to anyone who doesn’t already know about this to have a look here,
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3

Stupid question, is there a particular connection between this petition and SEEN? I keep seeing the link to it posted on this thread (in a way I don't see replicated across all other FWR threads) but the immediacy of relevance is not clear to me.

teawamutu · 12/03/2023 14:39

Official contact page is here: seen-network.uk/contact/

I seem to remember it was Gmail when I contacted them.

DevilIvy · 12/03/2023 12:53

Can someone confirm the email address for SEEN is a Gmail one? Just want to confirm to them I'm happy for them to send me emails.

FemaleAndLearning · 11/03/2023 23:38

IdleAnimations · 07/03/2023 22:12

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I'm signed up to SEEN and got an email about them being spotlighted by the Race Forum.
It was via teams, many people were logged in as guest so you didn't need to show your name.

I think the chat proves that SEEN is needed. One person write you can be against gay marriage doesn't mean you should voice it at work comparing that I assume to you can believe sex is binary and immutable but you shouldn't be allowed to voice that at work.

'Intersex' was brought up along with the 1.7% figure this was challenged and evidence given to use the NHS DSD term.
Caster Seymenya was brought up. People were told they were cruel for calling Caster a he. Then saying we shouldn't be discussing an individual even though it was all in public domain.
You don't want us to exist was mentioned.
I missed most of the guy at the end calling SEEN a hate group so waiting for the recording to be shared to rewatch.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/03/2023 13:52

A reminder to anyone who doesn’t already know about this to have a look here,
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3

MaryThorne · 10/03/2023 13:39

TalliskerMcSpeculate · 10/03/2023 09:01

Also good to see in real time exactly why a network such as SEEN is required! Thanks, shouty man.

Agreed, it was quite the live case study in the need for SEEN!