Sex Equality and Equity Network - Gender crit network for civil servants.

Tried to join with my NHS email but it the online form doesn’t go through?

Yes of course

Hi, yes of course

Great news. For those who wish to join, it does seem to be limited to civil service and ALBs/agencies:

"We restrict our responses to membership enquiries to official UK government email addresses (central government departments, agencies, and their associated public bodies including arm’s length bodies)."

Not wider public sector unfortunately.

emsyj37, whistlingtax, hoarderoffacts, zen 1

Please could you let me know if any of you would be happy for me to pm you with a location question. I am specifically trying to track down a person (not a specific person, just any one person) I might share a location with but I would prefer not to post my location on here.

Many thanks

Where can I find details of the board for this network? Every other staff network I’ve been a part of in the past as a civil servant has had champions, chair, secretary etc but I can’t find any information for this one which makes me doubt it’s validity as an official network. I’m VERY reluctant to add my work email address to something unless it’s confirmed as legit.

I've just wasted most of my lunchbreak poking around on yammer but can't see the thread in question. Can someone who can see it pm me the topic it is in (or even just which part of the civil service) If it is in my part, I am already speaking to a senior leader in my area about some of the problems with the attitudes towards GC views so it would be very helpful to be able to point to it.

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I can't tell you how glad I am that there are a few of us! The poster who challenged on the yammer thread said if the comments had been about any other protected characteristic, there would have been disciplinary action taken immediately.

They just can't see their bigotry. It really is scary.

Same here. The thread has been closed to comments so mods can check responses, but reading it I was really shocked at the hate and language that was used against anyone who might want to join such a network. Also calls for it to be shut down and 'shouldn't be allowed to exist'. I signed up immediately.

I saw the SEEN network on Twitter yesterday and felt such a sense of relief and happiness. I signed up immediately of course!!

I’ve been challenging our Diversity and Inclusion paperwork which presents gender ideology as fact rather than a belief, as well as pinning their colours firmly to the mast regarding how GC views are inappropriate at best, and denigrating them as not worthy of respect at worst. To be fair, I’ve had some limited success but I’ve realised how utterly captured the service (within which I work) is as I have been repeatedly blocked by senior managers. I have struggled and struggled to be taken seriously, rather than being seen as a bigoted pest who will not let it lie. After sending them the GC views at work pamphlet (Sex Matters - thank you Maya!!) and pointing out very carefully how they were actively discriminating against me because of my GC views, I got a retraction of the most serious accusations plus an apology. But I still feel they think I’m an awful person for holding my nasty beliefs, and we just need to be kind, inclusionary and celebrate differences etc etc,. It’s been one if the most stressful things I’ve done at work but also one of the most grown up haha!!

One of the issues I’ve felt very keenly is that I am a lone voice (my profession seems to be VERY woke), taking on a behemoth of a service. Hearing about SEEN felt like the cavalry had arrived. I think that given the legitimacy of SEEN, managers will not be able to carry on fobbing off GC concerns.

I am literally so excited to have back up!!!

Terf and Cis have been used in D&I chats before when someone pushed back on something and it wasn't dealt with.

I fear this will be my experience. D&I contact is a transperson, which is fine, but I don't feel safe asking them about this or putting this resource up alongside the Stonewall links because I fear attack.

Brilliant! Congratulations & the very best wishes for the flourishing of the SEEN network (great acronym).

I wish we could set up something in universities that is similar. There's the OU network, but it'd be great to do something more wide-ranging.

I’m public service but not civil service. I am going to see if I can join.

Have emailed my interest in joining. Am local authority with a .gov address so hopefully will be ok. Really pleased to see this. It's time women were given a voice. So very tired of the nonsense now.

I've joined! Thanks for sharing 👍

Bloody brilliant! Now brave women and men need to join it and the more that do the easier it will be for others to put their heads above the parapet.

Wonderful news - so brilliant that they've done this and it's been approved.

EHRC were apparently in court in Scotland today apparently claiming there is no difference between sex and gender.

I think I saw the same yammer thread as Tallisker. The absolutely crazed response to SEEN in my organisation has made me even more worried about being found out for my wrongthink.

I'm a Probation Officer at HMPPS Ministry of Justice. Will spread the word.

Absolutely!

Unfortunately facts can't be in law or something but beliefs can. So done else who understands can better explain but facts can be disputed whereas beliefs can't?

I work in a Local Authority I would be interested in this. Lots of my colleagues feel the same but we know that we dont talk about that

What I dont like though is the representation of the 'facts' as belief. Makes science and biology sound like its some sort of religious belief.

This is really good to hear about, I think it's really important work even though I don't work in CS so just quietly cheering you on from the outside!