Pink News does know the difference between male and female after all...

This is just so upsetting. Ultimately there are so many things you can't predict or control when you have children, which is why your number one job is to love your children unconditionally. No matter what.

Sex selection is legal in many places though often only for medical reasons. IVF brings up a lot of ethical issues, I'm not sure that this is any greater than the others.

Aren't you? It's notable that two of the countries which do ban it are India and China - for obvious reasons given their 'missing girls' problems.

Valuing one sex more than the other isn't a bland 'preference'.

Hi LeniGrey, apologies, I cross posted with you.

There are no pre-DNA stages, an egg contains DNA and a sperm contains DNA. The moment of fertilisation literally brings that DNA together to make an embryo when the sperm penetrates the egg. The DNA is in the form of sex and non- sex chromosomes.

An egg contains a single X sex chromosome (made from DNA).

A sperm contains either an X or a Y sex chromosome (made from DNA)

So a female embryo is made by a X carrying sperm (the embryo is XX) and a male embryo is made by a Y carrying sperm (the embryo is XY).

Cells can be removed from embryos at a couple of stages of pre-implantation development. It’s more commonly done on Day5 or 6 post fertilisation now, when a few cells can be extracted from what will eventually become the placenta and are easily tested, including accurate identification of the sex chromosomes. This can be done by a number of different methods. Day 3 embryos can have a single cell removed but this is usually not the preferred approach these days if the embryos can make it to Day 5.

Obviously I don’t know what has taken place in this clinic in this case but these kind of tests are well established in the US as part of IVF.

As someone who desperately wanted but couldn’t have children, the breathtaking entitlement and truly shocking disregard for the value of this baby girl and the women who donated the egg and carried her is staggering to me.

Which argument? I’m scientifically aware enough to already know what you’re saying, thank you. I thought an embryo was basically a fertilised egg though, in the pre-DNA stages, so didn’t realise it was possible to tell at that point, I’m not a biologist.

It's not the first time PN has reported like this

Archive link t.co/342trHsR4y

In what possible way is this beautiful?

Beautiful 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

What’s beautiful about it?

Out and out misogyny. Couldn't be clearer. They despise female humans. Poor wee girl

Why can't they just be grateful to have a healthy child? From a quick Google they are also wealthy so can afford to raise her. Greedy and entitled.

I feel exactly the same. “Oh, did you just assume the baby’s gender?” Turns out it’s not “assigned at birth” after all.
The fact that they were “determined” to be parents to two sons and are now disappointed shows eye-watering levels of entitlement.

Both beautiful and heartbreaking. That poor girl and her poor mother.

Isn’t this the whole point of the argument!!! The sex chromosomes are literally in our DNA. Every cell of our body dictates what sex we are.

We still don’t know the long-term effects of different IVF procedures, though.

Or maybe they actually extract cells now to test but surely that would risk issues with that embryo?

Extracting one cell from an embryo for testing doesn’t appear to harm it.

Some clinics also use sperm-sorting to try and separate the X sperm from the Y sperm, but this isn’t 100% accurate.

I saw this story last night and was just so angered by every aspect of it. Rich men buying women for breeding and the babies being an unwanted, inferior disappointment if they are girls. And we're meant to think that this is progressive? That poor girl is going to grow up knowing her parents wanted a refund,and probably completely constricted by gendered expectations.

It's just like China where there's an exception to the one child policy if your first child is a girl.

Grim.

That poor girl. So not only will she know she was never wanted unlike her two brothers, she'll also have to have an email address with numbers in, unlike her brothers.

No silly, they pull them out of the sorting hat at birth, everyone knows that.

I'm thinking the same as you. Imagine being raised in a family that don't want you this much.

Don’t they just ask the embryo what its pronouns are?

I thibk they can tell, roughly, sex of the embryo visually - because X chromosomes are larger so XX female embryos are slightly larger that XY male ones at some point. But it's obviously not foolproof, as here.

Or maybe they actually extract cells now to test but surely that would risk issues with that embryo?

Either way the whole thing is repugnant. Surrogacy should be illegal.

Sex selection is legal in many places though often only for medical reasons. IVF brings up a lot of ethical issues, I'm not sure that this is any greater than the others.

A bit more info though.

www.ivfnorthcyprus.com/gender-selection-pgd-north-cyprus/

I cant stop thinking about that little girl. They clearly don't want her, she is a blemish on their carefully controlled bought and paid for family.

They see women and girls as commodities. To be bought, and refunded because they are faulty it seems.

She should not be raised by them. This is so sickening.