Pink News does know the difference between male and female after all...

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It's a global crime that trades in people of any age and exploits them for profit. Sums up the buying and selling of babies perfectly.

HTH

You don't know what trafficking means do you?

Yes. The gay couple should be banned from surrogacy. They are unfit to be parents. Real parents accept what they get, boy or girl, healthy or sick, plain or pretty and do their best for their child. This pair are looking for an accessory made to order. Real life doesn't happen like that, boys.

Interesting when you Google the female couple mentioned in the article who are suing because they had a boy instead of a girl. One of them is chair of diversity at a university that threw out a student last year for saying sex is real. The hypocrisy and entitlement is off the scale. I hope those poor kids have other people close to them who can give them the love they deserve.

Aren't both of these gay men 'cisgender'? By 'cisgender couple', did they actually mean 'heterosexual couple'?

Oh well. Probably a bit much for PN to manage to understand what a girl actually is and also deal with basic reproductive biology and use their unnecessary neologism appropriately all at once.

Horrifying story but entertainingly stupid article.

Apart from the idea of “testing the egg to determine what sex it is” (doh!) a rare moment of realism when they describe 2 gay men as a “same-sex couple” (yay!) but then contrast them with a “cisgender couple”.

Very confusing: perhaps they have to put the word “cisgender” in every article to get paid?

They seemed to have, grudgingly, taken her in. Now they’re going for the boy they really wanted.

10 years down the line, of sooner, what’s the betting she’ll be begging to transition?

Couldn't happen to nicer parents, I'm sure...!

But bit isn’t sex assigned at birth? Have the TRA been lying to us all this time? Surely If sex is assigned at birth they wouldn’t know until the baby was born, then surely they could pay the sex fairy midwife to assign them a boy? Or is that not how this works?

No self awareness. Selfish amoral men.

Imagine if the boys are trans and they end up with 3 daughters.

I’ve been anti-surrogacy since finding out more about on the feminism board (before the split) but ethical issues around IVF range from Saviour Siblings (already mentioned) to Gene Editing (CRISPR).
There’s the risks of multiple pregnancies when several embryos are implanted and the ethical questions around ‘foetal reduction’ and the ‘no known risks’ of egg harvesting.

If women are reduced to the biological function of reproduction and babies can be bought and sold then ‘ethics’ are pretty much out of the window anyway.

you know who a girl is when you end up with one you didn't want

Yes, it exposes the lie that it's self-ID and acceptance without exception.

It's self-ID FOR MALES and ONLY MALES. That poor baby doesn't get to self-ID into being wanted and loved, as is a basic want and need for all children (and given this is so you could argue that that baby DOES ID as male since that's the only way to be considered worthy of love, clearly).

Jesus wept

How totally lacking in basic intelligence are Pink News? On a par with 2+2=5 (maybe that's the next article?)

Sex selection is legal in many places though often only for medical reasons. IVF brings up a lot of ethical issues, I'm not sure that this is any greater than the others.

I've had IVF so I appreciate I am biased but IMO the ethical issues here are cumulative

So you can have the IVF I did, my egg, my husbands sperm, fertilised and back into my body

Or you can for example, have a donor egg

Then you can implant it into another womans body (neither of whom are going to be involved in this childs life)

Then you can demand that it can't be a girl

There are so many layers of ethical issues there, that's the problem for me. Aside from the fairly obvious problems of 'you know who a woman is when you want one to carry a baby and put her life at risk for you' and 'you know who a girl is when you end up with one you didn't want'

There are many ethical issues with IVF, I don't consider sex selection at embryo stage the biggest issue, there are a load of ethical issues before you even get to that stage.

Sure there are other ethical issues. Which are very interesting but in the context of this thread maybe we're getting into whataboutery.

But sex selection, for any purpose other than strictly medical, seems pretty clear cut. It's saying you value one sex more than the other, or at best that you're thinking of this potential child in terms of stereotypes not as an individual.

I believe the process the egg donor goes through is quite gruelling and pregnancy isn't a walk in the park. At least those women, theoretically, are consenting adults. They're never poverty stricken, guilt tripped or otherwise coerced.

The ethics of using an embryo if a parent has died. Even if they gave their permission prior to death is it fair for a child to know they were implanted after their parent had died? Or what about the case where a mother wanted to carry the child of her dead son?

Amd of course the donor babies. Embryos selected because they are a match to am older sibling in order to provide bome marrow or spare parts.

Honestly the fertility clinic's defence should be that there is no way of telling what sex the baby is until they are old enough to decide for themselves.

Well one question is what to do with unused embryos.

They have the potential of life. Is it right to destroy them?

Another would be where multiple embryos are implanted in the hopes of increasing the chance of pregnancy, resulting in selective termination if the result is a multiple pregnancy (afaik not all clinics do this).

The ethics of using an embryo if a parent has died. Even if they gave their permission prior to death is it fair for a child to know they were implanted after their parent had died? Or what about the case where a mother wanted to carry the child of her dead son?

Equally some people might argue is it appropriate to tinker with nature at all?

To be clear I'm not anti IVF and I'm not suggesting I'm pro/anti any of the arguments above but I think it's fair to say it's a process that is not without ethical concerns and has the potential to cross ethical lines by clinics who provide the service if they are not legally constrained by good ethical standards.

Entitled Fuckers.

They've given zero thought to how this will impact their child growing up.

Imagine finding out you were a "sales ordering error" - one your parents felt disappointed about enough to sue over....

On the basis of emotional harm to the child they shouldn't be parents at all.

As for gmail accounts - says it all doesn't it. This is our pre-planned image of our family. This is our brand.

Hi just asking but outside of surrogacy & sex selecting embryos, what are the ethical issues of IVF?

There are many ethical issues with IVF, I don't consider sex selection at embryo stage the biggest issue, there are a load of ethical issues before you even get to that stage.

What a pair of absolute fucking bastards they are.