Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 4

So the person being thrown to the wolves is female?

All these fearful, confused, ideology addled women. It's a bloody scandal. Who looks at 'the cotton ceiling' and the description of it as 'overcoming barriers', and doesn't see coercion?

it's all just too awful.

I'm struck by the fact that Kirrin studied criminology, so will certainly know that most perpetrators of violence are male. And yet Kirrin talked with agitation about the potential danger of encountering danger in the women's loos — as if women are more dangerous than men. This is quite worrying because if Kirrin's going to be attacked by anyone, it's much more likely to be by a man and not a woman. Kirrin strikes me as exceptionally vulnerable.

I was hoping to see the emotional support dog's reaction today.

KM is male presenting (I assume from the tribunal and use of the title Mr plus male singular pronouns in addition to the neutrois of they).

KM writes about their journey here.

For example, I am non-binary. My passport and driver’s licence currently state ‘male’, but my birth certificate ‘female’.

Both of these options are incorrect.

I would much prefer my true gender of non-binary to be recognised on these identification documents I use daily.
…
During my first year at university I was forced to use single-sex female accommodation as I couldn’t get ID showing me as non-binary or male.

eachother.org.uk/it-is-the-right-for-all-people-to-live-their-life-as-themselves/

Oh good lord. If you ask your doctor to prescribe the pill for you, they're going to know if you're male or female. They might not be completely au fait with how it interacts with other drugs you're taking, but they know whether you're a man or a woman. I mean, they're your doctor for God's sake.

Just guessing but maybe if people are on hormones, other types of people that prescribe contraception might be unsure of how they work together?

Why did KM exclude trans women from that statement? (I agree with the sentiment btw; I don't think there should be unreasonable barriers to accessing the pill).

Kirrin Medcalf, Head of Trans Inclusion, Stonewall said: ‘It’s vital that any cis woman, trans man and non-binary person who needs the pill can access it. This is a matter of reproductive equality.
Anyone who has periods or the ability to become pregnant has the right to control when and whether they become pregnant. But many trans men and non-binary people have struggled to access the pill as some providers are unsure whether they can give it to trans patients.’

Really? HCPs are unsure if they can give the pill to women either blue hair?

Chinny reckon

Sorry didn't post first time



Are there any photos of Kirren ... I have had a Google but couldn't see anything.
Mind you that could be due to reading all the other threads 😎

You're right @PrelateChuckles . Silly me.

It can't be far out.

Having graduated from Northampton University with a 1st in BA (Hons) Criminology in 2013 and due to finish a Master’s Degree from Portsmouth in Literature, Culture and Identity this year, Kayden is looking forward to being able to spend more quality time with Holly and Pixie instead of just cuddling up with them while reading books and writing essays. This is the first article of Kayden's to be published and will hopefully be the first of many.

First published 31 July 2014

www.agilitynet.co.uk/features/lgbtexperiences_kayemedcalf.html

Thanks for the new thread.
And thanks for all the commentary.
Trying to keep up!
Meant to be having an internet break, which is partially enforced by virtue of being in the middle of Exmoor, and the long walks and gorgeous scenery are lovely but I'm suffering from FOMO or just MO

I don't know what you're asking Where - there's no such thing as those words...

I'm confused. Is KM male or female?

Thanks for all the updates today. It has taken me until now to read then and OMGG I think my brain has exploded.

Poor Alison. Just how did that incompetent, spineless twerp end up with so much influence whilst the brilliant, black barrister was treated like persona non grata?

SW would have done less badly if the dog had taken the stand.

Did you see the letter KM wrote to GCC. It's very clear what was meant. Doubt his mum wrote it.

@Pluvia 'This is where 'be kind' gets you.'

You speak so much sense in your posts Pluvia. I think the 'be kind' movement can be damaging for societal groups who don't have strong boundaries (e.g. children and neurodivergent people - I'm autistic and speak from experience.)

It also reinforces female socialisation, of course.

Such a shame they haven't opened comments on that Telegraph article

Thanks for the new thread!

Perhaps I've been on here too long, but I'm surprised anyone's surprised about the stuff KM/Stonewall have been coming out with iyswim. I guess a few years ago I genuinely thought someone could explain it all so that it'd make sense to me and I'd fully get it, but I'm way past that now.

I noticed that Nancy Kelly was trying to come across very reasonably/mainstream on that WH interview, which jarred a bit with all the spiel that gets trotted out in SW's name. When EB pressed her, e.g. 'is a TW a woman literally or figuratively?' she did have to answer as per SW. But those questions were lacking slightly imo. (Just because I'd have had a field day!)

This organisation has been 'advising' the MoD.

Sobering.