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Golden Globes

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SwissBall · 10/01/2022 13:44

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Am I bigoted to want the Best Actress award to go to an adult human female?

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TInkyWlnky · 10/01/2022 20:46

Is that bannable?

It sounds like a reasonable position to me. But as we both know, being reasonable is simply not fashionable these days.

ShagMeRiggins · 10/01/2022 20:42

@bordermidgebite

There is no way to "live as a woman" that includes all women and transwomen It's meaningless
I tend to agree with this, because I still have no definition of “live as a woman” means.

Women (natal females) are so varied. The same is true for natal males.

I want people to live as they choose without violence, discrimination, or prejudice. Basically I want everyone to just chill the fuck out when people are different from themselves.

I also want biological sex to be respected, because it is scientific, provable, immutable.

bordermidgebite · 10/01/2022 20:39

How does anyone live as a woman

am I living as a woman?
Is my husband?

What is different between us ?

Clymene · 10/01/2022 20:33

@Poppy101010

What does what mean ?
What does:

"But she has went through the whole process of transitioning to a woman. Lives as a woman - and goes to work as a woman."

mean? Confused

Poppy101010 · 10/01/2022 20:17

What does what mean ?

Clymene · 10/01/2022 20:15

@Poppy101010

But she has went through the whole process of transitioning to a woman. Lives as a woman - and goes to work as a woman.

She deserved to win. Outstanding character in Pose and was the best in that category.

What does that mean?
bordermidgebite · 10/01/2022 20:09

There is no way to "live as a woman" that includes all women and transwomen
It's meaningless

Poppy101010 · 10/01/2022 20:07

But she has went through the whole process of transitioning to a woman. Lives as a woman - and goes to work as a woman.

She deserved to win. Outstanding character in Pose and was the best in that category.

ShagMeRiggins · 10/01/2022 19:59

[quote IvyTwines]@ShagMeRiggins as having a medical examination is one of the times when the sex of the person doing it can make a difference both in outcomes and the feeling of security and relaxation of the patient, I'd personally prefer it if we did still use sex-based words like 'doctress' in some circumstances.[/quote]
I agree with this—there are situations and settings when having a male or female providing a professional role makes a difference and should be respected.

While I prefer the phrase female doctor rather than doctoress (and god forbid the use of ‘lady doctor,’ though some might prefer that), that’s my own opinion.

It’s important for women to retain the right to prefer doctors who are female (excepting life-saving emergencies and possibly other situations).

And for me, it’s essential that artistic award categories such as acting also remain sex-segregated, mostly because the overwhelming majority of stories told have characters who are male or female.

As stated, I’m thinking my way through this, and trying to clearly understand why it’s important to me.

Finally, can’t help noticing that actresses (female) decided to call themselves Actors, rather than actors (male) saying “yes, we are all the same in the sense we should be able to play any part” saying, oh yes, I am now an Actress.

bordermidgebite · 10/01/2022 19:57

Any transmen winners for balance ?

IvyTwines · 10/01/2022 19:52

Maybe they should just junk the whole thing and start to bring in awards categories by age group, going up in decades or 20 year chunks: it would be a good way to highlight ageism and give a career boost to remerging actors.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/01/2022 19:52

@TInkyWlnky

Actress is a gendered not sexed category.

What does a gendered category mean?

That the person who uttered those words is a twonk?

Is that bannable?

TInkyWlnky · 10/01/2022 19:51

Actress is a gendered not sexed category.

What does a gendered category mean?

ErrolTheDragon · 10/01/2022 19:47

Actress is a gendered not sexed category.
Is it? Wtf are we doing with 'gendered' categories in this day and age? Isn't that terribly exclusionary of NB people? OTOH, one category for each of the two sexes is completely inclusive, and helps redress the old fashioned sexism still rife in the entertainments industry (like so many others).

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/01/2022 19:46

ESSO

Linguini · 10/01/2022 19:43

What's the difference between and actress and an actor?

Snoozer11 · 10/01/2022 19:42

Man in dress steals award reserved for women.

Why haven't they handed it back? No shame.

WaningMoon · 10/01/2022 19:39

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/01/2022 19:38

The very long stretch to state that actress is a gendered term, not based on the sex of the individual, is ludicrous.

We ALL know it is a sex based term.

That it has to be suborned, twisted, redefined to make it support The Ideology is equally ludicrous.

And yet the semantic destruction, razing of the lexicon continues.

And somehow we are supposed not to see it!

Codswallop!

IvyTwines · 10/01/2022 19:32

@ShagMeRiggins as having a medical examination is one of the times when the sex of the person doing it can make a difference both in outcomes and the feeling of security and relaxation of the patient, I'd personally prefer it if we did still use sex-based words like 'doctress' in some circumstances.

SwissBall · 10/01/2022 18:56

Yes you’re completely right. Anna Paquin winning as a child is just like a transwoman winning Hmm

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ShagMeRiggins · 10/01/2022 18:49

@KingofQueens

Pose is an exceptional series, and MJ Rogriguez is an exceptional actress in it. Actress is a gendered not sexed category. MJ is absolutely an actress. The "actress" category is definitely not as a pp suggests for "adult human females". That's a disingenuous claim, taking a phrase and transposing it to a different context does not make it so. Remember Anna Paquin? Best supporting Actress in 1994 -definitely wasn't an "adult human female" she was a child.
Actresses come in all ages.

Though the trend now is for female performers to call themselves the generic term ‘actor’, that’s never been about excluding a person’s sex. It’s been a feminist movement, in the same way feminists moved to eliminate doctoress.

Frankly, I’m still working through my thoughts on this change of wording in both examples given.

ShagMeRiggins · 10/01/2022 18:43

@AryaStarkWolf

I won't hold my breath for the time a transman wins Best Actor Award
Agreed, but I do recall with pleasure when Linda Hunt won a Best Supporting Actress award for her role (portraying a natal man) in The Year of Living Dangerously.

She was amazing. She was acting. And at the time, she was virtually unknown, so hadn’t been cast because she could bring in the box office receipts.

Her sex wasn’t central to the plot— she was female, the character was male, not a transman—she just acted her arse off and was exceptionally moving and memorable as an Indonesian male dwarf (none of which she is, iirc).

Iwishihadariver · 10/01/2022 18:30

Man wins thing. It'll never happen.

KingofQueens · 10/01/2022 18:27

Pose is an exceptional series, and MJ Rogriguez is an exceptional actress in it.
Actress is a gendered not sexed category. MJ is absolutely an actress.
The "actress" category is definitely not as a pp suggests for "adult human females". That's a disingenuous claim, taking a phrase and transposing it to a different context does not make it so.
Remember Anna Paquin? Best supporting Actress in 1994 -definitely wasn't an "adult human female" she was a child.