Russell T Davies loses the plot

I was massively excited when I heard he was coming back to Dr Who. Now I’m worried he’s going to use it as a political woke football, as Chibnall has done.

Rose was amazing. I don’t think he is wholly incapable of creating rounded female characters.

TBH for me the comments about HIV/AIDS giving the message they did was HUGELY MASSIVELY RECKLESS. Could cause harm- I imagine he's got a large following of gay men (rather, men who have sex with men) over a large age range who listen to him. Possibly skewed towards younger? And are still at higher risk than the general population.

What the fuck was he thinking?

I imagine what he was thinking is, as seems common now. To exaggerate/ embellish/ make up levels of risk and harm. To groups you want to emphasise as vulnerable. Is perfectly fine.

Irrespective of any possible/ actual negative impact on the group you are taking about.

I'm genuinely really angry about that.

The statement that using LGB without T is literally killing people..Icing on the cake.

So given that about the current situation in UK with HIV/AIDS.

I GENUINELY think what he said about now re NHS.

Were really irresponsible. Even damaging.

Those with HIV/AID here. Presuming diagnosed and treatment. Can expect to have a long healthy life.

An issue back years ago was that BECAUSE of the fear, prognosis, no treatment etc. Those at risk of contracting it/ having contracted it did not get tested. In fact he covered that in its a sin. I'm positive of that.

To suggest/ imply/ state what he did with that NHS bit at the beginning is extraordinarily irresponsible.

THT-

'In 2017, the overall mortality rate for people aged 15-59 who were diagnosed early was, for the first time, equal to that of the general population for the same age group.'

'Other key data
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In 2019 the UK continued to achieve the UNAIDS 90-90-90 target with 94% of those living with HIV being diagnosed, 98% of those on HIV treatment and 97% of them having an undetectable viral load.
Only 3% of people diagnosed with HIV in the UK in 2019 had contracted HIV via injecting drug use.
Approaching half of people receiving specialist HIV care are now aged 50 or over (42%), compared to less than one in five in 2007.'

Google has loads more on the mortality rate.

I have listened to RTD clip now and I find this a bit iffy.

That NHS staff ever since HIV emerged have tended to, home visited, comforted etc those (I took it to mean) seriously ill/ dying due to AIDS.

The advances since the epidemic got hold have changed the picture massively.

I think it was 10/15 or even more years ago. That it was stated reported etc all over the place. HIV/AIDS is no longer a death sentence. Great news.

There are anti retrovirals. Maybe other stuff not a doc! And PREP as well.

I think he and his comments were ridiculous, he was clearly drunk and the comments made me think of the opposite of Its A Wonderful Life, every time the T is dropped, an angel loses its wings.

How many is a lot? That general comment and 80s/ 90s is not the full picture by far.

Music- fgth number one. Thingy said wouldn't play disgusting. And this is all obviously my own experience in the area I grew up. The general response I heard was what a twat and laughing at him.

Also massive bands/ hits (off the top of my head!)-

Communards v powerful smalltown boy video is a fave. Pointed sharing apple at end.
Erasure
Pet shop boys
Right said Fred (I'm not ashamed! I got my first crappy car at 17 and first time out nearly crashed on a side road while trying to get the hang of lighting a fag while driving!)
Marilyn
Steve strange
Etc etc etc etc etc etc

I went to school 6th form and university with out lesbians and gay blokes.
Gay clubs huge scene then. First year uni shared with some friends who went to bug club with male/ female bits. Manchester canal area full of gay bars etc well known as was Brighton for being an area with big gay scene.

Obv not trying to say it was all roses that would be ridiculous.

The characterisation that the mood of the whole country overall was total disgust hate etc is also not right though.

I transfer section 28. Massively contraversial. Those who thought appalling were given airtime, column inches etc.
Iirc a lot of anger and demos etc.

[quote Helen8220]@StillWeRise
what they were demanding was simply to have the same respect and rights as everyone else. No L/G/B people were asking for anything that impacted anyone else's rights.

That’s not how a lot of people saw it at the time though, was it? It wasn’t that uncommon in the 80s and 90s for people to regard same sex relationships as an unhealthy lifestyle choice which undermined the values and institutions on which society was founded - marriage and the traditional family unit - and gay people as doomed to a miserable, lonely life. A lot of people also genuinely feared that gay people would attempt to convert - or even prey on - their children, and that the acceptance of same sex attraction and relationships as valid and healthy would lead children and young people down paths they would later come to regret.[/quote]
A lot of people also genuinely feared that gay people would attempt to convert
Yes, and you see it on here, as in on this board, not specifically this thread) "all the time.
Fears of social contagion, if your friends are trans, or you know about being trans. you might then think you are too, it's the exact same argument played out.

@StillWeRise
what they were demanding was simply to have the same respect and rights as everyone else. No L/G/B people were asking for anything that impacted anyone else's rights.

That’s not how a lot of people saw it at the time though, was it? It wasn’t that uncommon in the 80s and 90s for people to regard same sex relationships as an unhealthy lifestyle choice which undermined the values and institutions on which society was founded - marriage and the traditional family unit - and gay people as doomed to a miserable, lonely life. A lot of people also genuinely feared that gay people would attempt to convert - or even prey on - their children, and that the acceptance of same sex attraction and relationships as valid and healthy would lead children and young people down paths they would later come to regret.

Will watch in a bit

RTD involvement Dr who great stories etc. Really good. Rewatching recently. Still really good but started to notice that the women were often... Used as plot devices often horrible things happening to them.

It's a sin. Enjoyed esp the first episodes. The way the female character was. No life of her own. Just looking after others. Becomes activist rather iirc the men. Support human as others phrased it. I mentioned to a female friend (not raging feminist) and she immediately said yes! I noticed that. And started saying why she hadn't liked it. So not just me/ raging feminists who noticed. It was not subtle at all.

Well I can't really get past the fact that LGB is NOT a word & if you're using the charity's acronym then it's LGBA - which IS 4 letters.

And the hyperbole was as stratospheric as it was ridiculous.

Omg i just watched the clip, wtf is he on?

It’s genuinely bonkers, just incoherent babble and yet his self satisfied expression suggests he thinks he's saying something clever.

How embarrassing for him.

Kill? Get a grip, you embarrassing man.

they are just as bad as the bad characters in it How old are you? Five?

RTD

FRO

HTH

I think I can live my best life with TLAs

Shall we send him the link to the BBCs expose of Stonewall?

If he needs to walk this one back in the future he will be able to spin it as the booze talking. Even if he was completely sober in reality.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Russell T Davies in a coming out in support of LGBT rights shocker Wouldn't have expected anything else, not sure why anyone would be surprised. Good on him for speaking up

I think what he said was far from good on him. It showed him to be misogynistic, uninformed, unprofessional and the very definition of bigoted.

He seems really ignorant - LGB is an acronym, not a word, so his “joke” about three-letter words is embarrassingly incorrect.

Plus he’s also pretty inarticulate and difficult to follow. Tedious twat.

He says people shouldn't take the piss out of the multiple use of letters for long acronyms by taking the piss of out of those supposedly shortening the acronym back to the original. (I think they are simply reclaiming it to represent groups based on sexual orientation.)

The T+ wasn't added in the AIDS crisis and 2015 wasn't that long ago, he can't have forgotten that it was only 3 letters to start with surely? And AIDS is four, if you're only using 3 Russell it's AID which is what the women provided for the gay men.

Wouldn't have expected anything else, not sure why anyone would be surprised.

It's the hyperbole that's pathetic.

Have you seen any stats on the number of people that have dropped dead because there's a charity with only 3 letters in its name?

No, me neither.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Russell T Davies in a coming out in support of LGBT rights shocker Wouldn't have expected anything else, not sure why anyone would be surprised. Good on him for speaking up

HTH.