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Russell T Davies loses the plot

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Imnobody4 · 13/10/2021 20:35

So disappointed I so admire his work.
Apparently LGB Alliance is killing trans people by only having 3 letters. Don't know why he thinks this is clever instead of using just 3 letters he should try talking with with a radom set of consonants and 1 vowel.

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MishyJDI · 14/10/2021 14:57

Good for him calling out the LGB Alliance for the hate group they really are. They do nothing for L, G, or B people. Just attack trans. It's all a scam in my opinion and more are waking up to them!

From yesterday

Bev Jackson at BevJacksonAuth
On BBCWomansHour this morning, EHRC Chair named the right of association of lesbians & gay men as the first area where it would be helpful to clarify that “sex” means biological sex. That Stonewall objects to this makes it crystal clear that today’s Stonewall opposes LGB rights.

It is shocking that an organisation that won the public’s respect for championing gay and lesbian rights now actually opposes those rights. But Stonewall is not an outlier. Most former gay rights - and human rights - organizations have turned against us.

Dennis Noel Kavanagh at jebadoo2
Just stand back and think about this. Stonewall actively oppose the right of homosexuals to assemble politically or socially in single sex spaces. That's just extraordinary when you think about it.

RebelliousCow · 05/11/2023 12:23

HowardNoir · 13/10/2021 21:21

Excellent. 'It's a Sin' was amazing, and I'm glad he's aknowledging that harmful ideas against LGBTQ+ people are still around. Anyone who disagrees with Russell's speech should watch It's a Sin and realise they are just as bad as the bad characters in it who believed 'it' was a sin. Oh the irony of people not understanding that.

I watched " It's a Sin" ( and i also was around in the 1980's when 'it' was all going on), and was very disappointed to find that the female characters were very poorly drawn and unbelievable. They existed only to be supportive to the male characters and had no life or depth of their own.

RebelliousCow · 05/11/2023 12:20

TrainedByDinosaurs · 13/10/2021 21:03

Was he around when John Barrowman was busy dropping his trousers? Or when Noel Clarke was harassing women? yes he most definitely was but apparently saw nothing untoward happen www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/may/07/noel-clarke-accused-of-sexual-harassment-on-doctor-who-set Hmm

I thought ‘It’s a Sin’ was very good at portraying the impact of AIDS on the gay community and also very good at showing how for some men the only time a woman’s life has any relevance or interest to them is when that woman is providing a service to men.

Yes, I didn't rate that series at all. It featured incredible shallow portraits of the female characters - they were just two dimensional and there to be supportive.

SinnerBoy · 05/11/2023 12:10

Coo, Rustle does seem to love himself a bit and push the Me, ME, MEE!! thing a bit much. I think he wants to give the impression that he's some sort of Mahatma Mandela, or something. For someone who aims to do sympathetic characters, he's certainly got no ability to be sympathetic himself, at least, not towards people outside his narrow little gang.

The100AcreWood · 05/11/2023 12:00

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Imnobody4 · 05/11/2023 11:31

Well that is interesting.

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Chersfrozenface · 05/11/2023 10:09

Talk about pot calling kettle black.

WandaWomblesaurus · 05/11/2023 10:03

archive.ph/cJb6i

Not sure how I missed this from January 2023. 😂 Popping it in this thread for tidiness.

"Doctor Who’s showrunner has criticised a new wave of “rubbish” TV screenwriters who are more interested in diversity than television.
Russell T Davies, the award-winning writer who is <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/cJb6i/www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2021/10/30/scary-monsters-bin-spare-companions-russell-t-davies-must-do/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">overseeing future episodess of the long-running sci-fi favourite planned by the BBC, has decried the quality of emerging creatives.
Many script writers are in the television industry to “increase representation”, Davies has claimed, and their work is “rubbish”.
He said: “I do a lot of mentoring, and there are voices wanting to be heard – of any gender or ethnicity – who consider themselves invisible.
“They hate the media that ignores them, and they’re trapped into wanting a job in that medium purely to increase representation. I read their scripts and they’re rubbish.
“They don’t actually love television, so they don’t know how to write for it.”

‘Go and work on the bins’
Doctor Who has itself been criticised for pushing a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/cJb6i/www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2022/10/24/doctor-who-jodie-whittaker-exits-should-bbc-bin-time-lord/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">perceived political agendaa with its recent storylines, which have included a time-travelling episode taking in the bus protest of Rosa Parks, and moves to make the main cast more diverse.
Davies, who revived the series in 2005, has returned as showrunner to oversee future episodes after the most recent run suffered a mixed reception, with a new series set to launch in 2023.
Fellow creative Mark Gatiss, speaking to The Sunday Times, also shared his concern about the quality of emerging TV creatives, saying: “Sometimes I think I’m like Pollyanna because I’ve met so many people over the years who hate making television.
“It seems to make them so miserable. Go and work on the bins or something. It’s hard work – it gives you ulcers – so you have to love it.”
Davies has suggested a method of increasing enthusiasm for television would be to make the entire back catalogue of Doctor Who available on iPlayer, saying that the programme is “our heritage” and “deserves to be there so kids can fall in love” with the series."

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 15/10/2021 08:51

helleofabore

Good 🙂

Helleofabore · 15/10/2021 08:25

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

helleofabore

I admire your optimism

Do you wake every day thinking ‘todays the day mishy will back up a plop with a rational and insightful post that will make us all think’

Or are you more ‘same shit different day’

You always make me laugh Rufus.
NecessaryScene · 14/10/2021 20:42

I wonder if he is aware of Allison Bailey’s court case? Wasn’t this the catalyst for the formation of LGB Alliance?

No, that post-dates it. The main impetus was the total stonewalling of an petition attempt to get them to address concerns with their approach

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 14/10/2021 19:50

Mishy - help me understand that. I thought the LGB Alliance were set up in order to help people who were being penalised because of their sexuality e.g. Allison Bailey, a black, working class lesbian who was being discriminated against in her work (allegedly) by, erm, Stonewall.

I do see hate, I wonder if it is the same hate that you see, though?

StrangeLookingParasite · 14/10/2021 19:05

@MishyJDI

Good for him calling out the LGB Alliance for the hate group they really are. They do nothing for L, G, or B people. Just attack trans. It's all a scam in my opinion and more are waking up to them!
Same stupid lies, different day.

Don't you bore yourself?

TeamRex · 14/10/2021 18:23

he must have prepared that speech with all the 3 letter words nonsense, no one can improvise that quickly

I think he thought he was being clever. It definitely was prepared. Shame it was nonsense, both in content about the LGB Alliance and his ridiculous suggestion that no-one is allowed to create a charity for specific types of people.

merrymouse · 14/10/2021 17:48

I wonder if he is aware of Allison Bailey’s court case? Wasn’t this the catalyst for the formation of LGB Alliance?

TrainedByDinosaurs · 14/10/2021 17:44

@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet

Yes, I that he must have prepared the 3 letter word bit, it wasn't even clever from the off (largely because, as some else said, LBG is an acronym not a word) but he still massively overegged it and it just....didn't work

Plus, yep, he is clearly just another bloke who doesn't give a shit about women or their needs.

He absolutely must have prepared and probably rehearsed that bit as it wouldn’t be easy to keep track of. Will make it harder to explain ‘that speech’ away as drink talking.

Although truth and logic don’t seem to matter in this ideology

merrymouse · 14/10/2021 17:40

@LolaLouLou

Was he around when John Barrowman was busy dropping his trousers? Or when Noel Clarke was harassing women?
Yes, that was his era.
Lottapianos · 14/10/2021 17:23

'Plus, yep, he is clearly just another bloke who doesn't give a shit about women or their needs.'

Indeed. Yet another big disappointment

HDDD · 14/10/2021 17:00

I am not a fan of his so am predisposed to think he talks absolute tosh most of the time, but the timing on this, as the Stonewall pod drops, smacks massively of distraction/deflection by some very savvy lobbyists

Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 14/10/2021 16:57

Yes, I that he must have prepared the 3 letter word bit, it wasn't even clever from the off (largely because, as some else said, LBG is an acronym not a word) but he still massively overegged it and it just....didn't work

Plus, yep, he is clearly just another bloke who doesn't give a shit about women or their needs.

StillWeRise · 14/10/2021 16:45

hmm I have just watched the clip, I agree he may well be intoxicated but he must have prepared that speech with all the 3 letter words nonsense, no one can improvise that quickly. And then when the camera panned to the audience standing up I thought...it's a bit 'tomorrow belongs to me' really...

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 14/10/2021 15:44

helleofabore

I admire your optimism

Do you wake every day thinking ‘todays the day mishy will back up a plop with a rational and insightful post that will make us all think’

Or are you more ‘same shit different day’

Helleofabore · 14/10/2021 15:40

It's all a scam in my opinion and more are waking up to them!

Evidence please Mishy.

Or is this just another drive by slug at an organisation that you don't like because someone else on the internet didn't like them....

Specific evidence that they are a 'scam' and that they do 'nothing for L, G, or B people'.

You know that 'T' people belong to LGB Alliance don't you?