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Mridul Wadhwa

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PostingForTheFirstTime · 21/09/2021 11:13

thecritic.co.uk/unclean/

"Feminist women were, therefore, keen to hear what would be said at this latest talk before women’s sector professionals working with victims and survivors of sexual and domestic abuse.

I hadn’t expected the content to be so blatantly aggressive towards the decades of work of feminist women in the field of male violence against women. After a wandering preamble about intersectionality, Wadhwa announced that Rape Crisis history was unclean."

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CharlieParley · 22/09/2021 10:13

Their numbers are not going down, Fariha31. Their waiting list was over a year when they closed it last year. It's unlikely to be less than 9 months now (that seems to be about the average).

They know because many many female survivors have told them what effect their rhetoric is having on them. They know because grassroots groups are asking if female survivors of male violence can access the female-only therapeutic environment they need at ERCC. These groups don't do it to be mean or stir up trouble. They are increasingly contacted by survivors who are too worried they'll lose their place on the waiting list, or worried they'll be refused service altogether, if they ask the question themselves.

So ERCC know that survivors are self-excluding because they have been told by these women that they cannot use a mixed-sex service. For more than at least 24 months that I know for certain, but I think it's been more than 36.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 09:37

I was thinking about this last night.
The fact that MW has stated the fact that women are not using the Edinbourough rape crisis center in a lecture must mean there is stastical evidence that women are choosing not to use their service.

In a service as critical as rape crisis, when its found that their numbers have gone down (while there is no evidence that rape has gone down) should they not be lauching investigations? making sure their staff are up to the mark?

They seem to be blaming the clients for the fact they are generally seen as unwelcoming? a stance added to by their lead exec?

They need to publish the stastics that MW has seen and let everyone decide what the right reaction is. Not let MW spout their women hate all over the media. How is that going to improve the confidence of woemen who have been assulted to go to them?

SapphosRock · 22/09/2021 09:08

It could be said that pronouns are having a similar effect to rohypnol in this case. MW passes well which I imagine had lulled people into a false sense of security.

Ironically a similar technique to perpetrators of rape.

Using he / him to describe MW makes everything sound a lot more sinister.

CreepingDeath · 22/09/2021 09:05

@andyoldlabour

So, to sum up. MW is a narcissistic person who totally lacks any empathy with female victims, and has been enabled by other people/organisations who are putting woke points above women's feelings and safety.
Yes, exactly!

For whoever said that MW being trans is not the main issue, it’s because they are narcissistic - that may be true for their personal motivation, but we all know the reason they are getting away with it and being allowed to continue it is because they are part of the sacred group ‘trans’.

CreepingDeath · 22/09/2021 08:59

@NiceGerbil

The Scottish govt had a dept write to sites hosting content about Barbie K saying remove it or face court.

A dept that was not relevant to any aspect of that situation.

When you have a govt dept actively seeking out info they want suppressed and using the resource to do that and issue threats, check they have complied.

Because a person whose history and crimes are so incredibly extreme the public would cause outrage at going to a women's prison. At least I assume that's why.

Then something is horribly wrong.

That's the government and criminal justice. So not surprising that complaints about mw were met with a simple fuck off.

BK trial is also absent from the govt site which lists all trials etc.

I mean what the fuck is going on.

I believe that’s the Irish government rather than Scotland.

But you’re right that it’s a stitch up!

We are being lied to and manipulated on a grand scale by a government who don’t care, aided and abetted by the media.

I’m starting to wonder what it will take to change all this. Unfortunately, with Brexit and Covid and everything else, there is too much other big news to keep people distracted. Not saying those things aren’t also important, but it’s a convenient way to keep people from looking at what’s really going on here.

OhHolyJesus · 22/09/2021 08:05

@NecessaryScene

it was plain to see at the party 24 years ago too

Correction for the benefit of people skim-reading - 14 years ago.

Yes sorry, 14 years ago 👍🏻
FrancescaContini · 22/09/2021 08:04

@NutellaEllaElla

I mean this is shockingly blatant TR activism. How it's being allowed to destroy a fucking rape crisis service is shameful.
Couldn’t say it better myself.
KittenKong · 22/09/2021 07:57

Brought up in a country where boys are feted and girls aborted for being girls. Uhuh.

andyoldlabour · 22/09/2021 07:54

So, to sum up. MW is a narcissistic person who totally lacks any empathy with female victims, and has been enabled by other people/organisations who are putting woke points above women's feelings and safety.

NecessaryScene · 22/09/2021 07:54

it was plain to see at the party 24 years ago too

Correction for the benefit of people skim-reading - 14 years ago.

OhHolyJesus · 22/09/2021 07:50

many probably haven't seen it

I hadn't, thank you for sharing that, it's useful. It's not the person it's the lie. The person is judged on their behaviour and the behaviour of MW is plain to see, seems it was plain to see at the party 24 years ago too. Perfect title as well.

NecessaryScene · 22/09/2021 07:18

@Anotheruser02

So being thought of deceitful, but 'passing' means more than being thought of as dishonest?

For that guy definitely, did anyone read the account of the person who was at a party he was a guest at? Everyone was having a good time, accepted him as a transwoman, no one gave a shit as not transphobes, but then suddenly the host asked (at his request) who thinks M is a woman? Very uncomfortable silence followed. He is obsessed with himself fooling people.

Here's the link to that:

On Validation and Tolerance

(I knew what you meant, but took me a quite a while to find; many probably haven't seen it)

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 02:24

The Scottish govt had a dept write to sites hosting content about Barbie K saying remove it or face court.

A dept that was not relevant to any aspect of that situation.

When you have a govt dept actively seeking out info they want suppressed and using the resource to do that and issue threats, check they have complied.

Because a person whose history and crimes are so incredibly extreme the public would cause outrage at going to a women's prison. At least I assume that's why.

Then something is horribly wrong.

That's the government and criminal justice. So not surprising that complaints about mw were met with a simple fuck off.

BK trial is also absent from the govt site which lists all trials etc.

I mean what the fuck is going on.

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 02:17

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Leafstamp · 21/09/2021 22:54

@Grellbunt

Didn't I read on here that someone had written to the OSCR (Sco Charity Regulator) and had received a reply dismissing their concerns? (Which wouldn't surprise me tbh).

Apologies for being vague - I haven't time to check back on the threads discussing this.

Yes, I was among many who complained to OSCR and yes they dismissed my complaint.
Acatcalledcharlie · 21/09/2021 21:50

Problem is MW and her partner are well kent faces in the political and 3rd sector. Their connections go all the way to our FM. His appointment was political, he was employed specifically to do what he is doing, letting us know that TWAW, they WILL have access to our single sex spaces, including the most sacrosanct, a rape crisis Centre, and there is fuck all we can do about it.

Aye, Feminist to her fingertips, the buck stops there. She sold our single sex spaces for power and another independence referendum.

Grellbunt · 21/09/2021 21:38

Didn't I read on here that someone had written to the OSCR (Sco Charity Regulator) and had received a reply dismissing their concerns? (Which wouldn't surprise me tbh).

Apologies for being vague - I haven't time to check back on the threads discussing this.

toomanytrees · 21/09/2021 21:30

@CharlieParley. Agreed. MW didn't dupe anyone. So its time to move the focus off MW and onto those who did the hiring and why. Why has no action been taken against him and WHO is not taking that action? Was it (misplaced) compassion, naivity, incompetence, self interest, belief in gender ideology, pressure or something else? With whom does the direct accountability lie?

Does anyone know the organizational structure of ERCC? Are the Board of Directors elected at an AGM by members? Are there members (as opposed to employees and directors)? If so, can anyone become a member?

CharlieParley · 21/09/2021 21:27

So being thought of deceitful, but 'passing' means more than being thought of as dishonest?

That's my view, Datun, yes.

Please don't misunderstand me. By now, MW passes quite well. We've discussed this among ourselves as we encounter MW on occasion, and it's clear that I'm in the minority at immediately reading MW as male. I think it's because I'm hypervigilant and my lizard brain screams danger at me when theirs doesn't. MW also seems to only ever wear a Sari in public and that is strongly coded as women's clothing for Europeans. So a lot of them need a second or third look.

Mostly what seems to give the sex away for the other women is behaviour. Sniggering when a survivor talks about her fear of males, dominating women-only panel discussions, demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the female experience... I don't know if MW made more of an effort in the past, but everyone knows about MW being male now, so I think that influences our perception and MW's behaviour.

(Prior to becoming an LGBT issues campaigner, which happened some time before 2015, it won't have been a well known fact.)

Anotheruser02 · 21/09/2021 21:24

Yes, the author was very angry that she'd felt compelled to say she thought he was, years on in hindsight she felt the guests were being morally weighed up like truth vs kindness.

Datun · 21/09/2021 21:18

@Anotheruser02

So being thought of deceitful, but 'passing' means more than being thought of as dishonest?

For that guy definitely, did anyone read the account of the person who was at a party he was a guest at? Everyone was having a good time, accepted him as a transwoman, no one gave a shit as not transphobes, but then suddenly the host asked (at his request) who thinks M is a woman? Very uncomfortable silence followed. He is obsessed with himself fooling people.

Ugh yes, I remember that. Being told he looked like a woman was paramount, even to the discomfort of everyone in the room.
Orgasmagorical · 21/09/2021 21:01

I can't remember which interview it was I heard MW talking about coming from India so I can't link to it but the words MW used were something like "the abuse happened" obviously trying to make out it had happened to MW. Knowing how carefully MW chooses MW's words, call me cycnical but I'm choosing to think the worst.

Does the concept of "narcissistic supply" apply to this situation?

Fuck, aye. I've said it before, I think MW is narcissistically abusing on a grand scale. I'll bet my bottom dollar many people who may be in a position to do something about MW's position are choosing to keep MW on side because going against MW would be too potentially damaging to them in some way.

MW doesn't lack empathy for rape victims, MW's not insensitive to rape victims, MW IMO enjoys our situation/distress/every other thing that comes with being raped - why else would MW be behaving this way? MW's not being thoughtless by using words like 'cleanse' - as I've said already MW chooses MW's words very carefully.

Honestly, Mridul being trans is almost beginning to seem irrelevant.

I agree, it's just something MW can use to get MW's own way and play the victim when it suits MW.

Anotheruser02 · 21/09/2021 20:42

So being thought of deceitful, but 'passing' means more than being thought of as dishonest?

For that guy definitely, did anyone read the account of the person who was at a party he was a guest at? Everyone was having a good time, accepted him as a transwoman, no one gave a shit as not transphobes, but then suddenly the host asked (at his request) who thinks M is a woman? Very uncomfortable silence followed. He is obsessed with himself fooling people.

somethinginoffensive · 21/09/2021 20:42

Is this one of those situations that it's very difficult to back out of?

To make such a controversial appointment and then say "oh, they need firing" is a tough position to find themselves in.

They will probably support MW through hell and high water now.

Datun · 21/09/2021 20:35

@CharlieParley

He supposedly used deception only once: at the Forth Valley Rape Crisis Centre. The Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre knew exactly who they were getting.

MW accepted a national Scottish award and gave a speech about being trans in 2015, two years before being hired at Forth Valley.

Rape Crisis Scotland first employed MW in 2012 and they knew who they were employing from day 1.

We really need to get away from this claim that MW duped anyone at Rape Crisis. It didn't happen.

If anyone was ever duped (and I've explained elsewhere why that is unlikely) it was Shakti Women's Aid in 2005. But as MW's sex was much more obvious then and the job had nothing to do with survivors, it's as I said unlikely.

MW however loves that so many women believe that MW passes so well that deception of this kind would have been possible. Does the concept of "narcissistic supply" apply to this situation?

So being thought of deceitful, but 'passing' means more than being thought of as dishonest?