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Mridul Wadhwa

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PostingForTheFirstTime · 21/09/2021 11:13

thecritic.co.uk/unclean/

"Feminist women were, therefore, keen to hear what would be said at this latest talk before women’s sector professionals working with victims and survivors of sexual and domestic abuse.

I hadn’t expected the content to be so blatantly aggressive towards the decades of work of feminist women in the field of male violence against women. After a wandering preamble about intersectionality, Wadhwa announced that Rape Crisis history was unclean."

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CharlieParley · 22/09/2021 20:52

@toomanytrees

Their numbers are not going down, Fariha31. Their waiting list was over a year when they closed it last year.

Genuine question: what services are victims waiting for specifically?

From their website, they focus on sexual violence. Domestic violence isn't mentioned.

Do they provide emergency support? If so how? The phone number on ERCC seems to go directly to Rape Crisis Scotland.

Do they provide counselling? If so, are any of the staff qualified or trained to do this? Are they just a referral service?

Do they provide someone to support the victim's interaction with the police and legal system?

I think Grellbunt has a good point: It seems that this isn't really functioning as a real rape crisis centre anymore - it's just a fig leaf, to be held up to the international gaze as proof of Scotland's progressiveness...

Rape Crisis Scotland is the umbrella organisation. They operate the National Helpline, but offer no other direct services to survivors. Their main remit is political advocacy for victims, funding and organisational issues.

Across Scotland, there are 17 local rape crisis centres, of which Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (where MW is CEO) is the second biggest (in terms of people supported). Glasgow Rape Crisis Centre is the biggest in Scotland.

The local centres provide counselling and group sessions as well as victim support for those who report to the police and go through trial. They employ fully qualified counsellors and deliver an excellent service for victims generally speaking.

Please don't let the debate around their trans-inclusion policies mislead you into thinking that the local centres and frontline staff are not delivering a functioning service. They are.

toomanytrees · 22/09/2021 20:33

Their numbers are not going down, Fariha31. Their waiting list was over a year when they closed it last year.

Genuine question: what services are victims waiting for specifically?

From their website, they focus on sexual violence. Domestic violence isn't mentioned.

Do they provide emergency support? If so how? The phone number on ERCC seems to go directly to Rape Crisis Scotland.

Do they provide counselling? If so, are any of the staff qualified or trained to do this? Are they just a referral service?

Do they provide someone to support the victim's interaction with the police and legal system?

I think Grellbunt has a good point: It seems that this isn't really functioning as a real rape crisis centre anymore - it's just a fig leaf, to be held up to the international gaze as proof of Scotland's progressiveness...

Virginiarivers · 22/09/2021 18:57

MW has connections everywhere, I presume that includes OSCR. It is their job to hold ERCC to account for contravening the equality act and they are choosing to look the other way.

Grellbunt · 22/09/2021 17:49

@Virginiarivers

I’ve said this on a previous thread - Mridhul Wadhwa is answerable to absolutely no one in Scotland and knows it. The only people who could remove Mridul from office are the board, who I looked at before they took the page down. They are almost all woke young handmaidens, including a couple of actual students at Edinburgh University. I have a connection to one of them and they (the board) are not listening to an open mind to women. Every criticism is met with a fresh wave of self pity, evidence of bigotry and sympathy for poor Mridul. If any of them regret their decision they aren’t saying. Mridul knows this, which is why are we seeing this absolutely unfettered misogyny now unleashed. There is no one to stop him.
Yes and the OSCR are in dereliction of duty.
Virginiarivers · 22/09/2021 17:47

I’ve said this on a previous thread - Mridhul Wadhwa is answerable to absolutely no one in Scotland and knows it. The only people who could remove Mridul from office are the board, who I looked at before they took the page down. They are almost all woke young handmaidens, including a couple of actual students at Edinburgh University. I have a connection to one of them and they (the board) are not listening to an open mind to women. Every criticism is met with a fresh wave of self pity, evidence of bigotry and sympathy for poor Mridul. If any of them regret their decision they aren’t saying. Mridul knows this, which is why are we seeing this absolutely unfettered misogyny now unleashed. There is no one to stop him.

Orgasmagorical · 22/09/2021 17:40

Sorry, Spring, I couldn't remember who had said it or where, thank you. I also couldn't agree more. It's utterly astounding that nobody who is in a position to do something is doing anything.

SpringCrocus · 22/09/2021 17:36

I've certainly made that comment about MW on threads, yes.

Orgasmagorical · 22/09/2021 16:04

@andyoldlabour

So, to sum up. MW is a narcissistic person who totally lacks any empathy with female victims, and has been enabled by other people/organisations who are putting woke points above women's feelings and safety.
And, as someone else said either up thread or on another thread, MW is hiding in plain sight.
Grellbunt · 22/09/2021 15:53

It seems that this isn't really functioning as a real rape crisis centre anymore - it's just a fig leaf, to be held up to the international gaze as proof of Scotland's progressiveness...

Jaysmith71 · 22/09/2021 15:36

"talking in a stereotypical way" about an offender is attempting to be like referring to 'black muggers' on the streets, greedy jewish financiers or unreliable Welshmen.

So Karen White is just another sex-offender who happens to be trans, nothing to see here, move along.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 22/09/2021 15:31

Slightly tangential, but wasn’t there a rape victim who was held in contempt of court for refusing to refer to her trans-identified male attacker using female pronouns? Or have I made that up?

Not rape, assault.

"It was notable that when I asked Ms Maclachlan to refer to Ms Wolf as 'she', she did so with bad grace - having asked her to do so she continued to refer to Ms Wolf as 'he' and 'him'"."

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/transgender-activist-tara-wolf-fined-ps150-for-assaulting-exclusionary-radical-feminist-in-hyde-park-a3813856.html

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 15:25

No deletion email must have quoted someone else I suppose

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 15:23

Sorry everyone yes of course bk Ireland. Totally random then.

The Scots govt not publishing consultation would be the sort of thing. The level of obviously dodgy behaviour by our own govts is just incredibly worrying and tbh bizarre.

And I had a post deleted! That's something that rarely happens to me. Can't remember what it said now :/

PaleGreenGhost · 22/09/2021 14:58

Sorry this isn't an answer to your question angelo

But the bit that caught my attention from the extract you posted was

if somebody has experienced sexual violence from someone with a protected characteristic and they are talking about them in a stereotypical way, um… as perpetrators and then stereotyping the community

Is MW saying that it is stereotyping to call a male, necessarily bepenised, rapist male? Or is it stereotyping to say rapists are male? Or is this that carceral feminism thing again where women should only report their rapist to the police if they happened to be white and you've since checked their pronouns?

AngeloMysterioso · 22/09/2021 12:59

This part from the article also stood out to me-

When the dialogue moved on to how raped women must refer to their rapist, Wadhwa was again confusing in expression, saying:

“If you have a trans person on your case load or if somebody has experienced sexual violence from someone with a protected characteristic and they are talking about them in a stereotypical way, um… as perpetrators and then stereotyping the community.”

To decipher, what is being asked of female victims here is that they do not refer to their perpetrator as male if they identify as female. To tell women how to speak about the man who has raped them is a truly horrific thing to do.

Slightly tangential, but wasn’t there a rape victim who was held in contempt of court for refusing to refer to her trans-identified male attacker using female pronouns? Or have I made that up?

AngeloMysterioso · 22/09/2021 12:56

I also see that they're looking for a COO, first stating that they welcome applications from trans women and then saying 'only women need apply' referring to Schedule 9, part 1 of the Equality act.

Not just welcome, especially welcome.

“We are committed to a diverse and inclusive workplace and especially welcome applications from women of colour, trans women and disabled women.”

I’m sure women of colour and disabled women will be thrilled to have been lumped in with the males for woke points.

andyoldlabour · 22/09/2021 11:40

CreepingDeath

"but we all know the reason they are getting away with it and being allowed to continue it is because they are part of the sacred group ‘trans’."

I wonder how they have reached this elevated, untouchable status? It couldn't possibly be the money could it? I know the following is a slight tangent to this situation, but decisions are made and acted on due to the demands of the people who fund the political parties. The demands of the electorate are ignored.
I wonder who funds the SNP, because the LibDems seem to be getting a lot of money to push a certain agenda.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18935834.nicola-sturgeon-refuses-stop-scots-children-getting-puberty-blockers/

mobile.twitter.com/bengoldsmith/status/1203678059347501057

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/puberty-blocker-drug-firm-donated-cash-to-lib-dems-cf3x77nh3

Vargas · 22/09/2021 11:07

'...our centre is staffed entirely by self-identifying women workers...'

I'm sure that is very reassuring to victims of rape Hmm.

I also see that they're looking for a COO, first stating that they welcome applications from trans women and then saying 'only women need apply' referring to Schedule 9, part 1 of the Equality act. Confused

Evesgarden · 22/09/2021 11:03

@Jaysmith71

Due to these improvements, less female service users are now willing to use this essential female service. We must now improve the female service users.

Or, as Brecht put it about the East German Communists:

The Party, having no confidence in the People, has decided to elect itself a new People.

Quite
Evesgarden · 22/09/2021 10:59

I just find it so sickening this man is being allowed to continue, in fact I also find it upsetting.

Women are dirty
Raped women are privileged
Raped women are bigots.

How has a womens Rape Service become all about not upsetting the men? You couldn't make it up. There must be some serious political weight behind this and behind politicians is always agenda and money.

M didn't get their by himself. Some one put him there. Who?

NecessaryScene · 22/09/2021 10:54

So I guess MW and supporters can believe that it's not interfering with their service, because they're running at capacity, but they get to filter out the less-deserving Bad women from their client base.

The same number of women are served, and they're those that deserve it more for upholding the beliefs of the Party not being bigots.

They are indeed choosing Better clients.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 10:48

On their website the 'about us' tab gives no info on who is on the board and the 'meet the team' tab brings you to a 'page not found' message, though its hilarously framed as 'you broke the internet'.
Sensitive, not.

Jaysmith71 · 22/09/2021 10:44

Due to these improvements, less female service users are now willing to use this essential female service. We must now improve the female service users.

Or, as Brecht put it about the East German Communists:

The Party, having no confidence in the People, has decided to elect itself a new People.

Artichokeleaves · 22/09/2021 10:35

This really plays out as:

We have improved this essential female service by centering male need.

Due to these improvements, less female service users are now willing to use this essential female service.

We must now improve the female service users.

Bonkers. It would be funny if it didn't reflect a total inability to value or care about female people.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 10:25

I see, thanks for the info.

So they are literally being told by women who are in desperate need of their services, a rape crisis service, that they need women only services, and their response is to abuse and gaslight those women even more.
Unluckly for those individuals who are maintaining MW position of power over actual victims, MW is not someone whos narccism is going to be sated any time soon.
I see a scandal brewing.
And we should absolutly be naming and shaming everyone of those involved.