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Head of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre :'Protesters against gender reform ‘give platform to fascists’

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MiladyBerserko · 16/09/2021 06:33

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'Women who oppose plans to make it easier to change gender have given a platform to “fascists who want to eliminate trans people”, according to the head of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

Mridul Wadhwa, 43, a trans woman who was appointed chief executive in May, accused those protesting against the Gender Recognition Reform Bill of legitimising far-right discrimination of trans people.'
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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/09/2021 19:21

@NecessaryScene

Sadly, this is what we have seen from other trans activists who take roles meant to progress the rights for females. Eg. Women’s officer roles. Each time, their own personal agenda is prioritised and is often at odds with the people they are supposed to represent.

It may at first seem weird how this always happens - surely not all trans people can be so self-centred?

But the answer is straightforward - the only sort of male who would dream of taking a woman's position is an incredibly self-centred one who does not care about women. Or at least cares about them less than they care about themselves - or at least "trans rights".

So that's why this always happens.

Any transwomen who might actually do the job well are decent enough to not apply for it.

Any male who would apply for such a role is not fit to hold it.

Spot on.
SpittinKitten · 16/09/2021 18:58

Wadwha was Also doubling down when talking about victims using services “have to learn not to be transphobic … have to unlearn so many things” ….
Jesus christ.

ScreamingMeMe · 16/09/2021 18:52

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ScreamingMeMe · 16/09/2021 18:50

Have you seen these tweets from Jean Hatchet? Shock

twitter.com/JeanHatchet/status/1437714100742656002?s=20

Am in a meeting with Mridul Wadwha. Already want to scream at the things being said by organisers

Inc “work to ensure LGBT is embedded across South Yorkshire” ….they intend to target all commissioners

“At Edinburgh rape crisis we had to cleanse our history of not being trans inclusive”

JFC - Wadwha is talking about “cleansing” the women’s movement.

Not sure of the stats on this…. “The rape crisis movement is largely run by white, cis, heteronormative women”….

Desperately want to say something …. Wadwha talking about how Scotland is engulfed in transphobia and suggesting this is why service users are afraid to access rape crisis! They have to learn not to be “transphobic”
@ForwomenScot

Now framing it as opposition from the right wing. Wadwha talking about Scottish women “exposing themselves in recent weeks …as right wing and …working with fascists”
@ForwomenScot

I’ll transcribe this later

Wadwha “there was a protest outside Scottish Parliament the week before last - organised by those who oppose the GRA reform …and also those who oppose the existence of trans people”

“We have been listening but at that protest there were people - that group of women were joined by fascist groups”
@ForwomenScot

“They have given that space to them and that’s quite scary” …. Lies are scary Wadwha. Lies are really scary.

I’ve asked the following see attachment

Aaaaand….. I was thrown out of the meeting

I asked a question about the Equality Act. The very basis of what is being discussed! And they can’t or won’t answer so threw me out

Importantly Wadwha was just discussing what you do to be more inclusive as an org. The language used terrified me. Talked of transphobic views surrounding us in society so Wadwha knows those views have been absorbed …

“We have to acknowledge those views in our organisations and see if they are views that can be changed or if they are permanent…. Can do this anonymously… it’s a journey”

The implication here is that anyone not in favour of admitting trans identified men to a women’s single sex service must be “found” and “changed” …. Honestly the most sinister talk I’ve been at

Wadwha was Also doubling down when talking about victims using services “have to learn not to be transphobic … have to unlearn so many things” …. Women who have been raped Wadwha don’t have to learn a thing. They have to be provided with help to recover.

Anyway you’ll be happy to know I took the colours with me. #WomenWontWheesht

Igneococcus · 16/09/2021 15:38

Spotted this in a Waterstones in Scotland just now. Quite fitting, I thought.

Head of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre :'Protesters against gender reform ‘give platform to fascists’
QueenPeary · 16/09/2021 13:04

Is it known/clear who is responsible for MW continuing to be in post, despite not meeting the requirements for the job? I mean in ANY other situation where it became clear the person had been appointed on false pretences and didn't meet a clear requirement for holding the post, they'd be out. Why hasn't this happened and who is in charge who should have done it?

Whatthechicken · 16/09/2021 13:02

Brodie’s Trust have lost confidence. Thankful they are standing up to this nonsense, but overall quite upsetting that it has come to this. Hopefully ERCC will have to sit up and listen.

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BuffysBigSister · 16/09/2021 12:59

@Rhannion

His views has no credibility, he has no integrity, no skills for the post he holds; his qualifications are in hotel management, and clearly has his own agenda made clearly by the transcript written up by Jean Hatchet. He should not be in a post in any Rape Crisis Centre anywhere. Shame on everyone who enable him and thinks it’s appropriate .
Exactly this. I read the transcript of the talk they gave and there was nothing there about helping women recover from assault. It was all intersectionality blah, blah. How is this person treated like some kind of expert in the field of women's trauma when their knowledge seems so shallow. What am I missing?
Rhannion · 16/09/2021 12:17

His views has no credibility, he has no integrity, no skills for the post he holds; his qualifications are in hotel management, and clearly has his own agenda made clearly by the transcript written up by Jean Hatchet. He should not be in a post in any Rape Crisis Centre anywhere. Shame on everyone who enable him and thinks it’s appropriate .

Rhannion · 16/09/2021 12:08

@Whatthechicken

MW gets so much press coverage because of her views, as the head of ERC you’d think she’d start using this platform to advance the safety, dignity and care of women, bringing some of the issues that women face to the national press…after all, I would presume that that is the main objective of her role? But it’s clear that women must take a back seat (again) and we must all listen to her personal objectives. Any role she obtains is a cover, all she needs is for it to be high profile.
HIS views, not her views, he doesn’t have a GRC so is a male in the law of Scotland
CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/09/2021 11:56

@ArabellaScott

The closest thing to logic I can see from tras on that subject, Tony, is that anyone with a trans identity is automatically exempt from any accusations of bad intent or wrongdoing.

It's a bit of an odd position really, the line is that declaring oneself trans (or, I suppose, non-binary) is such a drastic and terrible step to take that nobody would do it 'just to access vulnerable people'.

Only those who are good and pure and true in their intent would ever call themselves trans. I think that's the line.

Conveniently ignoring those who will pursue particular professions, over a period of years, purely to target and access vulnerable people.

Yes!

TransAngels
TransSaints

Never ever a Transgressor!

HatsOnHatsOff · 16/09/2021 11:40

Men who change gender make it easier for sex offendors to access vulnerable people. But that doesn't seem to count does it?

BlackForestCake · 16/09/2021 11:35

There is a political purpose to smearing people as far right. For a lot of people, if an organisation is far right, then it is legitimate to shut them down and deny them a public platform, using violence if necessary.

Wadhwa’s smears are totally irresponsible.

Helleofabore · 16/09/2021 11:27

Conveniently ignoring those who will pursue particular professions, over a period of years, purely to target and access vulnerable people.

Yes Arabella. The old ‘no one would go through x to get access to their desire, even their victims’ ploy. Some people seem to think that there is something different between subsets of males and the risk they present.

And then they use the ‘all or nothing’ tactic. The ‘you hate all men’, ‘you want trans people to not exist’ … I mean really, who thinks such extreme thoughts. I rarely see people take this line of thought on MN. The only people saying this is those falsely accusing people saying this to paint people disagreeing with them as haters.

QueenPeary · 16/09/2021 11:13

Any male who would apply for such a role is not fit to hold it.

Yes - to think that having been born male, and not having the biological issues that only women can experience, you should be representing women in any official capacity, you have to be completely lacking in empathy and entirely self-centred and putting only your own validation first. Or at best very deluded, if you somehow believe you are suitable and representative, and that level of delusion wouldn't bode well for you being able to do the job.

MW obviously isn't in the latter category, going by the constant banging on about being trans and about how being inclusive of TW (doesn't seem to mention TM much, funny that), banishing "bigots" who care about biology, and rewriting history are the most important priorities for a service for women Hmm

I find MW so shockingly selfish and uncaring that I almost can't believe this is all real and MW is doing it to raise awareness and peak people.

As for fascism, yeah right love. Lefty feminists who have been opposing gender stereotypes, supporting gat rights and who are often lesbian themselves, are allied to far-right fascists? That accusation arises purely from the far left idea that anyone on the right is subhuman and so you can permanently smear your enemies for ever by suggesting they are infected by right-wing cooties. Grow up and have an actual debate you numpties.

InvisibleDragon · 16/09/2021 11:13

The "aligning with fascists" argument is such garbage. Hitler was a vegetarian. Does that mean all vegetarians are "aligning with fascists"? Of course not - it's just a quick way to silence people who are worried about what other people think of them.

Glad to see this nonsense is getting some mainstream coverage now. Hopefully MW's position is becoming untenable.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 16/09/2021 11:09

Grim misogynist tells lies to get the opportunity be around vulnerable women

GrandmaSteglitszch · 16/09/2021 11:02

'gender reform' should be replaced by 'sex-denial', in my view.

Anything about 'gender' has been deliberately made confusing to the average person who simply switches off when they hear or see it.

PaterPower · 16/09/2021 10:58

Thanks for the token. Encouraging to see 100% GC comments.

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2021 10:53

The closest thing to logic I can see from tras on that subject, Tony, is that anyone with a trans identity is automatically exempt from any accusations of bad intent or wrongdoing.

It's a bit of an odd position really, the line is that declaring oneself trans (or, I suppose, non-binary) is such a drastic and terrible step to take that nobody would do it 'just to access vulnerable people'.

Only those who are good and pure and true in their intent would ever call themselves trans. I think that's the line.

Conveniently ignoring those who will pursue particular professions, over a period of years, purely to target and access vulnerable people.

TonyThreePies · 16/09/2021 10:22

Women who oppose plans to make it easier to change gender have given a platform to “fascists who want to eliminate trans people”

So, they are saying that women have opened the door for fascists to slip through? But trans rights isn't opening the door to those with bad intentions to slip through? Righty oh.

NecessaryScene · 16/09/2021 10:01

Sadly, this is what we have seen from other trans activists who take roles meant to progress the rights for females. Eg. Women’s officer roles. Each time, their own personal agenda is prioritised and is often at odds with the people they are supposed to represent.

It may at first seem weird how this always happens - surely not all trans people can be so self-centred?

But the answer is straightforward - the only sort of male who would dream of taking a woman's position is an incredibly self-centred one who does not care about women. Or at least cares about them less than they care about themselves - or at least "trans rights".

So that's why this always happens.

Any transwomen who might actually do the job well are decent enough to not apply for it.

Any male who would apply for such a role is not fit to hold it.

Jaysmith71 · 16/09/2021 10:00

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Helleofabore · 16/09/2021 09:15

Whatthechicken

Sadly, this is what we have seen from other trans activists who take roles meant to progress the rights for females. Eg. Women’s officer roles. Each time, their own personal agenda is prioritised and is often at odds with the people they are supposed to represent.

Whatthechicken · 16/09/2021 09:07

MW gets so much press coverage because of her views, as the head of ERC you’d think she’d start using this platform to advance the safety, dignity and care of women, bringing some of the issues that women face to the national press…after all, I would presume that that is the main objective of her role? But it’s clear that women must take a back seat (again) and we must all listen to her personal objectives. Any role she obtains is a cover, all she needs is for it to be high profile.

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