Never thought I'd post on here but males on female hospital wards. Wtf

[quote IheartJKR]@vargus but you’re vulnerable sick - medicated - you maybe can’t advocate for yourself !!!! You’re a sitting duck

@R0wantrees
A sex offender is a rapist who’s not been caught yet…. Or escalated[/quote]
@IheartJKR You're right of course, I wrote my post in a moment of rage. We need laws and guidelines and structures to protect women and girls, and our politicians and NHS trusts are letting us all down with this kind of nonsense. And of course it is those that cannot speak for themselves that are most likely to suffer harm. Utterly enraging.

2008 TEN YEARS ON: LGBT YOUNG PEOPLE IN CALDERDALE
(West Yorkshire)

Letter from Surinder Sharma,
Director for Equality and Human Rights
The Department of Health

As Director of Equality and Human Rights at the Department of Health one of my top priorities is to challenge health inequalities. I am proud that my department established SOGIAG (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Advisory Group) in 2005 to help challenge the health inequalities of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people, and that this work is being strengthened through the new LGBT Advisory Group.It is through the work of SOGIAG that I first came across GALYIC and Jan Bridget in particular. GALYIC have supported our work in many ways including appearing in one of our training DVDs: Real Stories, Real Lives. This is why I am delighted to see this report published.
Whilst the report concerns Calderdale, many of the findings and recommendations are transferable to other areas, I was particularly interested in the sections on LGBT people and mental health. " (continues)

www.galyic.org.uk/docs/news/10yearsfull.pdf

NB Gay & Lesbian Youth in Calderdale (GALYIC)

Best Practice Guidance
Title Trans: A practical guide for the NHS
Author Department of Health
Publication date October 2008

(extract)
Executive Summary
People who cross contemporary cultural gender boundaries for any reason –collectively referred to as ‘trans people’– are an often ignored group in society, yet all research undertaken in the areas of
employment, health provision, social exclusion and hate crime indicates that they experience disproportionate levels of discrimination, harassment and violence. Transsexual people, those who identify as transgender and people who periodically cross-dress in private have distinctly separate social experiences and needs; nevertheless they all experience similar kinds of unwarranted social disapproval.
Trans people are more likely than others to experience difficulty in finding work or retaining it if their background becomes known to others. High numbers report feeling obliged to change jobs because of workplace harassment and abuse. Upon revealing their gender issues people are at high risk of being shunned by family and friends.
Many experience violent intimidation on the streets or outside their homes. Consequently trans people are also susceptible to depression and at risk of suicide. A 2007 report, Engendered Penalties (Whittle S, Turner L and Al-Alami M, The Equalities Review, February 2007 ; see
www.pfc.org.uk/files/EngenderedPenalties.pdf) , highlighted that 34% of respondents in a survey of 872 trans people had considered suicide one or more times before receiving professional assessment and support. This is considerably higher than the risk in many other groups and should serve to underline that trans people would not subject themselves to such experiences unless, for them, there was no better option. As explained in this guide, there is nothing trivial
or capricious about permanently changing gender role.

Creating better services
There is evidence to indicate that, for some trans people, the National Health Service (NHS) has at times unfortunately contributed towards anguish and distress. Research published in February 2007 (see above) showed that almost 20% of trans people surveyed for the Equalities Review reported that their healthcare was either affected or
refused altogether by GPs who knew they were trans. Whilst there are notable examples of excellent care and good practice, 60% of trans people who thought their GPs and other medical professionals would like to be more helpful and supportive reported that the practitioners felt unable to do so through lack of training and information." (continues)
www.open.ac.uk/health-and-social-care/research/sexuality-alliance/sites/www.open.ac.uk.health-and-social-care.research.sexuality-alliance/files/files/ecms/web-content/research-web-content/doh-trans-practical-guide.pdf

Front cover features Christine Burns (Press For Change)
Foreward by Surinder Sharma, National Director for Equality and Human Rights, Department of Health

[quote R0wantrees]Vulvamort via Twitter

"I spoke to a senior NHS manager who told me he would "swear in a court of law" that Andrew Lansley instructed his team to call the policy 'sex' even though the NHS knew it was by Gender Identity.

But in any case, it's documented in NHS meeting minutes and the policy itself.

However, Lansley had a predecessor who had already put trans guidance in place with the NHS.

Step up and take a bow, Surinder Sharma, National Director for Equality and Human
Rights, Department of Health, 2008."

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1422575384105820162[/quote]
lots of males behind this Andrew Lansley, Surinder Sharma, Bernard Reed (GIRES)

excellent work by Vulvamort and others

It really bothered me.

This was in Canada.

I can't help thinking @Outhere that your experience would be invaluable. If you are on Twitter, maybe contact Sheila Noakes, who appears to be taking this whole issue on board? Link below.

twitter.com/1SVN/status/1422566141680103434

The more women who speak about this, the better, particularly those with unique insights.

Said this before but PfC really were impressively well organised - logging friendly MPs, asking supporters to have face to face meetings with their own MPs, and using formal political structures like a charity and parliamentary forum

Guardian
Patrick Barkham
Tue 22 Jan 2013

'Voices from the trans community: 'There will always be prejudice'

(extract)
"[Stephen] Whittle, who "transitioned" nearly 40 years ago, was one of three trans men and three trans women who did an unusual thing in 1992: they went to meet Liberal Democrat MP Alex Carlile in Westminster. The unusual element was not the meeting but the fact that they travelled together – at the time, trans people never dared to because it increased the likelihood that they would be spotted and abused. These six wanted to start a campaign group; Carlile advised them to avoid the word "transsexual". So, in Grandma Lee's teashop opposite Big Ben, an anodyne name, Press for Change, was chosen." (continues)

Christine Burns is one of a generation who vividly remembers reading about Ashley in the papers when she was a young child. (Ashley appeared in a six-week special in the News of the World: "They were one of the very few who paid me and they behaved impeccably. I was very sad when the News of the World closed," says Ashley.) The existence of someone like her in the public eye was a great comfort for Burns. In the 90s, when she was chair of the Women's Supper Club of the local Conservative party association in Cheshire, she quietly joined Press for Change. Even then, the new activists dared not be openly trans. "The thing that held us back in the 1990s campaigning was that fear of being out," admits Burns. Eventually, she came out in 1995; she jokes that she realised she was more embarrassed to be a member of the Conservative party than openly transsexual.

Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press". (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

Apologies

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000606005635/www.pfc.org.uk/newsltr/nwslet09.htm#sw-trains" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20000606005635/www.pfc.org.uk/newsltr/nwslet09.htm#sw-trains

NHS policy document above cites GIRES as evidence base.

See Page 4 onwards of important thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007?pg=4

Anlaf wrote, Sun 24-Feb-19

"Now who knew that GIRES was set up as the charitable arm of Press for Change? I did not.

The Gender Identity Research and Education Society

Press for Change activists Bernard Reed and Yvonne Wingfield have been hard at work setting up a charity, which is now going for registration with the Charity Commission.

The idea is to allow the charity to take on - and expand - the current work of Press for Change in the areas of publication of information, education and training, research and support for students. PFC itself cannot be a charity, being of its nature political, but it makes sense to siphon off some of our activities into a charity, especially as the range of our activities continues to expand.

From the 1997 newsletter
"web.archive.org/web/20000606005635/www.pfc.org.uk/newsltr/nwslet09.htm#sw-trains]]

(Said this before but PfC really were impressively well organised - logging friendly MPs, asking supporters to have face to face meetings with their own MPs, and using formal political structures like a charity and parliamentary forum.)"

Vulvamort via Twitter

"The same sex ward 'bait and switch' policy for gender goes back to 2009, not 2019."*

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1422538786781736962

However, Lansley had a predecessor who had already put trans guidance in place with the NHS.

Step up and take a bow, Surinder Sharma, National Director for Equality and Human
Rights, Department of Health, 2008."

University of Leicester
Professor Surinder Sharma
Honorary Visiting Fellow
(extract)
"Surinder was appointed as the first National Director for Equality & Human Rights at the Department of Health and the National Health Service in October, 2004. He has worked in the Diversity & Inclusion field for over 35 years, gaining a reputation for innovation, success and excellence. He began his career with the Commission for Racial Equality in March,1978, gaining the strategic knowledge base on which his later career was built. He was elected as a Councillor at Leicester City Council, where he Chaired the Housing Committee, was appointed a Justice of the Peace in 1983, now Chairs, the Leicester Racial Equality Council and was appointed as an Alderman for the City of Leicester in September, 2013.

Surinder's career has taken him to a variety of different organisations where he has won many awards for his work: BBC Television, the Littlewoods Organisation and Ford Motor Company (Europe), where he managed a European Team during a period of radical transformation. He was a Commissioner at the Equal Opportunities Commission, where he Chaired the Legal Committee.

He Co-Chaired of the Conference Board European Work-Life & Diversity Forum, is a Trustee of UNICEF UK, a Trustee of the National Space Centre, appointed as an Independent Person at Leicestershire County Council and Chairs the National Governing Council of the Health & Social Care BME Staff Network. He is a Member of the Ministry of Defence Diversity Advisory Panel, Member of the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills Equality Advisory Group, Council Member of Aston University (where he is Chair of the Ethics Sub-Group, a Member of the Audit and Nominations Committee), was a Member of the Global Advisory Council at Novartis AG in Switzerland, where he was also a consultant to the company on Diversity and Inclusion." (continues)
www2.le.ac.uk/departments/sociology/people/professor-surinder-sharma

Vulvamort via Twitter

"I spoke to a senior NHS manager who told me he would "swear in a court of law" that Andrew Lansley instructed his team to call the policy 'sex' even though the NHS knew it was by Gender Identity.

But in any case, it's documented in NHS meeting minutes and the policy itself.

However, Lansley had a predecessor who had already put trans guidance in place with the NHS.

Step up and take a bow, Surinder Sharma, National Director for Equality and Human
Rights, Department of Health, 2008."

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1422575384105820162

Baroness Sheila Noakes (Conservative)

twitter.com/1SVN/status/1422566141680103434

Jo Bartosch for Spiked
3/08/2021

'Women need their own hospital wards
Trans ideology cannot trump the safety of the vulnerable and frail.'
(extract)
"Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust’s policy states: ‘Just as the Trust will not adapt practice in light of Racist concerns expressed as discomfort, so the Trust will not adapt practice in light of Transphobic concerns expressed as discomfort… This will include such things as use of toilets, changing facilities, and single-sex accommodation.’ (continues)
www.spiked-online.com/2021/08/03/women-need-their-own-hospital-wards/

I understand Dr Kate Coleman (Keep Prisons Single Sex Organisation) is speaking to this issue on GB News at 4.20pm.

I meant to say thanks, Rowantrees.

Thanks for the Woman's Hour link. I knew there was something about trans (that's the term she used, I noticed) on it today but couldn't remember what. Well, they did give prominence to a male journalist complaining about women dissing men and I remembered that.

Great twitter thread and about the decision making behind these supposed single sex wards

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052296768115888128

I believe the notorious convicted rapist and transwoman Karen White (who was placed in a women's prison, where KW promptly assaulted more women) was in prison for raping a woman on a... women's only psychiatric ward.

Transcrime UK website

Karen White
(extract)
"Karen White/David Thompson (born Stephen Terence Wood), a violent male who identifies as a trans woman, was convicted in September 2018 of two rapes committed in 2016, the rape of a pregnant woman in 2003, the wounding (stabbing with a steak knife) of an elderly male neighbour and burglary.

White also admitted two counts of sexual assault against two women while held on remand in HMP New Hall (a women’s prison) – a complete and utter failure of the safeguarding responsibilities owed to those vulnerable women. Two further charges of sexually assaulting two other women in prison were ordered to remain on file. Also remaining on file are a further rape allegation against the 2016 victim and a charge of controlling behaviour perpetrated against her." (continues)
The Sunday Times revealed further details of White’s long history of violence and sexual violence against women and girls facilitated by abject failures to safeguard those at risk. White committed the 2003 rape of a pregnant woman (whose drink White spiked to render her unconscious) while living in a probation hostel on licence for the sexual offences against a child and was – unbelievably – not recalled to prison. The Independent reports that the victim’s husband had not believed her and she had made an attempt to end her life. In her impact statement she told the court “I have no relationships with anyone. I felt very dirty as a woman. I became very depressed. Even now 15 years on I still struggle with mental health and suffer horrendous flashbacks. Until 15 years ago I was a strong woman.”

White then went on to gain access to another vulnerable victim via a mixed-sex psychiatric unit – another closed facility where vulnerable victims could not escape from a convicted male sex offender. White repeatedly raped and subjected the woman to violent, controlling behaviour; in her victim impact statement she also said she had tried to take her own life and was worried she cannot have children due to internal damage from being violently raped by White." (continues)
transcrimeuk.com/2018/07/17/karen-white/

The Times article, by Nadeem Badshah, references the Telegraph, in reporting NHS Trusts' guidance. The part referred to in the OP seems to be this:

"The Times reported last year that hospital guidance issued by NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde that urged nurses to chastise women who object to sharing a ward with trans women had been put under review.

The health board advised staff to treat women who were uncomfortable about sleeping next to patients who appeared male as they would a racist who was worried about a black patient."

previous relevant threads:
2018
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297578-NHS-confuse-sex-and-gender-on-advice-about-The-Mental-Health-Act

2019
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3550561-Tras-trying-to-get-sectioned-tw-moved-to-womens-ward

2017 when in hospital. Not sure if there were mixed or not mixed wards then. Looks like a man. I am sure most women would not want to share a ward.

Doctors say that self-identification is particularly an issue on mental health wards, where patients may be suffering delusions, and which are locked so patients cannot leave. Allegations of rape on one such unit have been made.

I believe the notorious convicted rapist and transwoman Karen White (who was placed in a women's prison, where KW promptly assaulted more women) was in prison for raping a woman on a... women's only psychiatric ward.

It has been discussed on BBC Radio 4 Woman's Hour today.

Some NHS trusts have issued guidance stating that people should stay on hospital wards based on the gender they identify with and can choose which showers and toilets to use. That's according to today's Daily Telegraph. But many people feel that the privacy from single sex wards is part of their recovery. The merits of mixed versed single sex wards has always been debated and policy has changed as a result. We speak to Sally Sheard, a health policy analyst and historian.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ycvs

Thank you Rowantrees and BatsmansBat for the information and share token.

I think I heard something on the 5 30 am news briefing on Radio 4
today about the topic, perhaps mentioning The Telegraph. Or was it on Woman's Hour? My memory is shocking.