Ireland..you could not make this up

I don't disagree about the dangers of legislation and perhaps in a couple of years time we will have hundreds of damaged children. I was hoping that the whole movement would run out steam before we get to that point. I am horrified about the disturbed males in Limerick's women's prison alright. I will shortly be emailing my TDs re this.

Wow. Disgusting.

Cailleach that person is American and hasn't a fkn clue about our history but lectures us from on high about it every day. Completely and utterly unhinged.

I wish they could have that IWD event live, it'd look like the cantina scene in Star Wars.

Or the fact that even after legalisation that prior to lockdown there was still more than 1 women per day travelling to England for an abortion.

It’s truly horrendous. Solidarity to the many women who are being, and will be, so badly affected by this. I’m angry on your behalf, and I’ll never stop being angry! They don’t frighten me.

The problem is that the legislation which dismantles women's sex based rights is in place. An avenue which can be used by any male who so wishes. What about when more men who are convicted of sex or violent crimes become aware of their need to just sign off their change of sex. What about the women who are forced to be exposed to them in prison.

Or someone elderly or disabled receiving intimate care who is told the person she recognises as a 'man' is legally a woman and stop being so bigoted.

That is the tip of it. Sports, education, discomfort day in and day out in spaces where you want safety, privacy and dignity. Women and girls have rights to parity of esteem and fairness.

I think some of the people at the gender clinics in the UK and elsewhere were saying there were so few girls a decade ago and now it has exploded.

Think of how many children in Ireland went through their schooling taught by the religious in the past. The numbers of abuse and abusers may have been relatively small, but we don't think it was ok because of that. One of the terms of reference of the Ferns Inquiry was about improving safeguarding for children. To lessen the potential for abuse to take place.

I think we have to ask why it was deemed appropriate to have rules for safety and safeguarding. Then ask why someone should be exempted from any gatekeeping on their say so.

I am curious to know how much has infiltrated actual society outside of Twitter ...etc. I live in SD in very middle class (liberal area) area. I have a fair few kids so have had interactions with numerous schools over the years. I have yet to come across a trans kid. It seems that despite all the nonsense it may be passing them by. Or am I being ridiculously hopeful?

I wonder if there’s a link to the Irish social democrats. They used to be a respectable party challenging FF and FG and actively campaigning for abortion rights, same sex marriage, justice for laundries survivors and now all their energy seems to be focused on ‘trans rights’. Anyone who raised so much as an eyebrow was publicly shamed and shunned on social media. Since these are the active campaigners and they filtered out anyone GC, there is now a trans slant on everything they do and their former allies are shut out. I think they’ve hurt themselves in the process though. There’s only so many voters that will encourage this.

It is estimated that there are more than 2,500 GPs in Ireland

So 88% of GPs and 48% of maternity hospitals are not providing abortion.

www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/one-year-on-its-clear-that-the-new-irish-abortion-services-have-serious-limitations-129491

www.irishhealth.com/article.html?con=130

There's a big difference between putting your activism within a broader context, and having your International Women's Day event be about something else within that context, and not your stated primary purpose and the reason people support you. If the founders of the campaign want to redirect their energies to a different cause, they should be upfront and transparent about this.

I found the link to this from ARC's Twitter page.

www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2021/03/06/lets-talk-about-bodily-autonomy-trans-healthcare-and-the-fight-for-reproductive-justice/

" the Bell ruling is an attack on the right to bodily autonomy. Bodily autonomy is not just the right to decide to continue or end a pregnancy – it is the right to make our own decisions about what happens to our bodies. Of course, these decisions should be informed and consent freely given – and the best way to ensure informed decision making is to provide people with information and time. Limited services with long waiting lists restrict information and time for decision-making. "

I actually agree with this (the concept of bodily autonomy and how it relates to pregnancy care)..... up to the point where it's about minors who are making life-time, life-altering decisions with unquestioning support from adults.
In any medical field, the possibility of alternative diagnoses is always considered.
Particularly in psycho-social care, where family systems, social contagion, abuse/neglect or other factors, may be part of the presenting issue.

I am trying to work out how the capture happened? It seems bizarre that ALL are transwomen, or are there biological women in the organisation. A couple of years ago this would have seemed unbelievable but now.....

Thanks, for that, notyourhandmaid.

Abortion Rights Campaign.

What does ARC stand for?
I don't have access to twitter, in case it is explained there.

Amusingly her twitter profile has #fuck the patriarchy.

Shouldn't have looked, but went to see some interactions on twitter. I don't have an a/c but can have a gander. A transwoman communicating with this organisation states a couple of unusual views.

One, that they are concerned about this issue in the same way all women who can't get pregnant are. Hmm.

No. I don't think women's reproduction system applicable there..

Two, 'If they had their way, we'd be side by side in the * Laundry'.

No. Men or Transwomen weren't incarcerated or brutalised in those Laundries. Only women. Babies and young children suffered, among them boys. They lacked protection because they were the children of the women who were brutalised and incarcerated. They were left vulnerable. Made vulnerable because their mothers were put in a situation where they couldn't protect them.. The women were deemed to be 'bad' according to a men centred ideology. An ideology which protected men first and foremost; in all their guises. Now the powers that be have imported a new version of it and are determined to lay women low again.

There are still difficulties with accessing abortion depending on where in the country you live, and women still travelling abroad in some circumstances.

The misogynistic language of Irish abortion-rights campaigners of the past while is so depressing.

Why, in the name of all that is holy, are an organisation named Abortion Rights, focussing on barriers to care for trans people.

Now, I am sure, monitors, there are barriers in place for trans-health care. However, abortion in Ireland, was only signed into law in December 2018. That's just over 2 years ago.
I am equally sure, without spending a long time looking into it, that, there must be hiccups in implementing fair, equitable, widely available, non-shaming access to quality abortion services around the country.

Surely, surely, that would be the primary focus of any "abortion rights" organisation.

It sounds like an organisation women need to go round rather than through.

Am signed up to both! Really looking forward to it

I wouldn't be clicking into that at all. If you want to support women, better to sign up to 'The Countess didn't fight for this' webinar at 2-5pm.

twitter.com/TCDFFT

or/and

'The Irish Women's Lobby' webinar, from 6:30-8:30pm.

irishwomenslobby.ie/speak-up-for-womens-rights/

Captured