Ireland..you could not make this up

No one voted for self-ID. The legislation was passed by a committee shortly after same-sex marriage was voted for and was presented as 'another win for LGBTQ rights' rather than something separate. It had been in the works for quite some time and was originally intended to facilitate Lydia Foy and others who had undergone full surgical transitions. The dismantling of any kind of oversight was not publicly known.

The idea that transwomen were involved in Repeal therefore they have somehow 'earned' their inclusion as literal women is such nonsense. Lots of people were involved in Repeal, including 99% of the women who EOT labels so perjoratively.

"If you take away their ability to refer to sex, they claim, women stop being able to talk about their oppression."
It's a pretty strong claim, though, Emer, unlike the 'transphobia' one later in this article.

Disgusted at this.

The comments on that article are excellent.

It is actually libellous. If she were to accuse the group of, say, racism, she would need to provide some actual evidence.

I read that article this morning. I was also at the The conference and what said in the article isn’t true at all!! I hope the IT give a right to reply just as the independent needed to after the hit piece on LGBA. It’s almost libellous that piece

@FionaMacCool If that's you inarticulate I am in awe!

I'm another of that generation and nodding my head to everything you've said. The framing of women's rights in a xenophobic/anti-British framework is a worrying low. The idea that voting for ME or Repeal were a vote for Self-ID is delusionary. Every discussion I see on this issue makes clear that the population knew nothing about the existence of the legislation and that remains true for many even now. When you consider the garbage that makes the headlines it raises a lot of questions as to how and why there was no media discussion of the issue in advance of it passing into legislation.

Women are being thrown under the bus here to a deafening chorus of self-congratulatory back-patting by the wokerati. I am engaged, terrified and sad in equal measure.

Oh and yes @FionaMacCool and @TheVeryThing - I too am of that generation.

HI ALl, I linked to that on the other Irish thread on here.

I feel sick and angry - so sorry I opened the newspaper. I had thought of cancelling my subscription this week after the Suzanne Lynch article on the US Transwomen in Sport - but now I want to reply in the open to this nonsense. Have any of you thought of a letter wording? I might not get back to this until later - I have a presentation to write now and I really am not in the best frame of mind for it!!!!

I almost wish I hadn't read that article but I am not surprised, given the author.
I'm of the same generation and it is very clear to me that the oppression experienced by Irish women, as well as women and girls the world over, is based entirely on their biological sex and has fuck all to do with any feeling of gender identity.

miri I read that article about an hour ago.

I am incensed and barely articulate at this time of morning.

I'm as Irish as they come. Trans rights are human rights but trans rights are not women's rights.

The idea that I voted for gender self-id in 2018 when I voted for the Abotion referendum...its laughable. I wasn't aware of that provision in the legislation at all at all.

I am of the generation that was a child during Granard, the Kerry babies, the emerging child abuse scandals in Ferns etc. I am very very clear about what is a biological female and it is different to a biological male. That difference is the basis of mass discrimination, disadvantage and violence across the world.

I have my own mind- the notion that I am either a "West Brit" (as far from as you can imagine) or that I am "infected" by British thought is not only laughable, but, it stirs up anti-British sentiment or relies on old anti-British prejudice. And I Am Not Happy With That At All.

God, I wish I was articulate at this time of the day.

Women daring to bring up that some Irish feminists may have a problem with self ID (which according to this article is working fine) at the IWL conference has earned a scold from the Irish Times

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/irish-feminists-must-avoid-british-trap-of-transphobia-1.4507862

No divergence is allowed apparently Irish women must be a monolith who are perfectly fine with their redefinition

I see Sports Eireann are attempting to improve teenage girls participation in sports.
I would imagine that this dropout rate will increase once Self ID is extended to under 16s.

I say we......I have never campaigned against or for anything.....just voted.

Thanks for the replies. It is just so strange how quickly the males have captured female agencies. Is it because we got some abortion rights and relaxed? I don't understand why you would join a group that is advocating abortion rights and then change the goals, why not just join Teli ?

And single sex child will be dismantled once the amendment to the GRA comes in. It will be illegal (by way of discrimination) not to allow a self ID male 16 year old into a girls school. Illegal for a school/club to not allow that child to share a bedroom with a girl.

Parents need to recognise this and make some noise with their TDs.

Every time I hear news about women’s rights in Ireland now, all I can think about is what a textbook example of policy capture it is. It’s dizzying how quickly it happened too. Women in Ireland barely caught our breath from the revelations about the cervical cancer screening scandal and the mother and baby homes and now we’re having organizations that were set up to fight for our rights being restructured overnight to give male-born people a platform to talk about a fringe issue. Truly astonishing.

Groooo... ss dereliction of duty there.

The TENI message is included in SPHE textbooks used in secondary schools. It reads as if the authors went directly to the TENI website or documentation and copied and pasted the info. Assuming those books are used across secondary schools in Ireland the messaging is getting into RC schools as well as others. Events relating to standing up to bullying are now routinely focused on waving the trans flag rather than bullying.

There are clusters of trans teenagers - groups of girls, which will surprise no one here - in certain Dublin schools. Following all the patterns.

I am curious to know how much has infiltrated actual society outside of Twitter ...etc. I live in SD in very middle class (liberal area) area. I have a fair few kids so have had interactions with numerous schools over the years. I have yet to come across a trans kid. It seems that despite all the nonsense it may be passing them by. Or am I being ridiculously hopeful?
I kind of agree that day to day people seem unaware/unbothered by this, mostly because, as Cailleach says the legislation is already in pace and the media are keeping quiet about it.

I am also in South Dublin, although don't have kids so no idea what the schools have to say about this - I would hazard a guess the catholic schools are not spouting anything trans positive that's for sure.

I just hate the fact that we almost need to wait until bad things start happening on a larger scale before things are going to change, or before the general population sees this for the problem that it is.

To be honest if you asked 100 random people in the street here if they knew anything about self-id or the change in the wording of the Equality Acts, most people probably haven't a clue. That's how the TRA's want to keep it.

Plus after the gay marriage and abortion referendums, there seems to be many younger people who think this is just the next human rights issue, with no real understanding of the threat to women that lies underneath.

Fair play, Dontbeme

@7Days I am going to give myself a week or two to calm down and then consider my next move. I am not letting this go, but will have to be very strategic about what I do next, time and money is limited right now.

Would you consider resending that again, with the chain, including newspapers and radio etc Don'tBeMe?

@elgreco I emailed all my TDs, minster for Justice and minister of state at the dept of justice and law reform and half replied with an email acknowledging my email to them and a few just forwarded it on to minister for justice, not one reply that suggested anyone actually read what I wrote. I got info from the Irish prison service annual report, quoting their own facts and figures, these people know what is going on and the risk to women, they just don't care.

Glinner has written about it.

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