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Baroness Liz Barker (LibDem Lords) interview, "There has been a vicious campaign against Trans women. Orchestrated by extreme right wingers from the US, but it is perpetrated by.. women of the left"

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R0wantrees · 18/05/2020 17:00

By Matthew Hulbert
"Im a charity trustee, an LGBT+ Rights activist, a School Governor, a former journalist, a Councillor, a campaigner and and an activist... Chair of the Leicestershire Police/Fire Service LGBT+ Independent Advisory Group (IAG)"

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“There has been a vicious campaign against Trans women.”A special interview, marking IDAHoBiT, with Baroness Liz Barker

(extract)
Baroness Liz Barker was made a life peer representing the Liberal Democrats in 1999.

She is the party’s Lords Spokesperson for LGBT+ issues and the Voluntary Sector.

Baroness Barker is also a Vice Chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Global LGBT+ Rights and is involved with a number of LGBT+ charities.

For many years she worked for Age Concern.

Earlier this week, to mark today’s International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia (IDAHoBiT), I conducted a socially distanced interview with Liz, who I’ve known for many years and worked with on various issues around LGBT+ equality." (continues)

"LB In recent years the UK Government has helped to defend people, for example in Commonwealth countries, but given the recent statement by the Minister Liz Truss to the Women and Equalities Committee, I don’t think this Conservative government can be relied on to do the right thing. I fear that the nasty party is back.

MH: Turning to the position re LGBT+ Rights more generally, it seems there is increasing hostility towards some members of our communities; especially Trans, non binary and gender fluid individuals. This interview will be published on IDAHoBiT day. How important is having a day focused on us standing against those who peddle hatred towards LGBT+ people? The theme this year is ‘breaking the silence.’ Many LGBT+ people still do live their lives having to keep their sexuality/gender identity secret in certain situations, don’t they?

LB: Yes, I work closely with trans groups, intersex groups and non-binary people. When the government’s LGBT Action plan was published there was some optimism that long overdue legal reform would happen. Sadly for the last three years there has been a vicious campaign against trans women. It is orchestrated by extreme right wingers from the US, but it is perpetrated by people, many of them women, who are traditionally on the left. Despite a stark lack of evidence, the constant assertions that trans women pose a threat to other women are fanned by journalists. We are not talking about the usual suspects like the Mail and the Murdoch sheets, media such as the Guardian and the BBC have endlessly and relentlessly given credence to views which on any other subject would be subject to journalistic scrutiny and dismissed. Worst of all, lesbians and gay men, many of whom know what it is like to be subject to discrimination and misrepresentation, are now subjecting trans women to that same unfair treatment. That is utterly disgraceful.

MH: You’re one of the most high-profile LGBT+ Parliamentarians and do a huge amount for our communities. What is life like as an Out Parliamentarian? Are there still those who are negative about it?

LB: That is the case at the moment, and I hope it can remain so. I wasn’t able to come out for many years for personal reasons. To work every day under the threat of being outed took a toll on me, but also friends and colleagues who worried for me. When I could come out I did and I decided to use my position and influence to make life better for others, especially those who still face discrimination in their communities. There are now more LGB parliamentarians, sadly no trans MPs or peers yet, but I do hope that the brilliant campaigner Helen Belcher can break that barrier. I co-founded the APPG on Global LGBT Rights and, despite current restraints on the Lords imposed by government, I hope to continue that work. And I have worked a lot on building LGBT issues into discussions about equalities, especially with parliamentarians from abroad. I try to help activists from other countries too. I consider it my duty to help as many groups and activists from our communities to engage effectively with parliament and government. " (continues)

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Baroness Liz Barker has worked closely with/for TRAs such as Helen Belcher, GIRES etc for many years.

Its been quite a week for spurious allegations as printed in Pink News yesterday.
current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3912202-feminist-movement-is-a-cult-that-grooms-controls-and-abuses-according-to-a-lesbian-who-managed-to-escape-Amy-Dyess

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/05/2020 19:30

Baroness Barker is completely wedded to trans ideology.

R0wantrees · 18/05/2020 18:24

These are four overwhelmingly positive and sympathetic articles on the BBC new website from the last couple of weeks. The idea that the BBC are doing anything other than promote the accepted narrative of wide-eyed admiration towards trans ideas is laughable.

Liz Barker's friend & LibDem colleague Helen Belcher is one of the five people running the influential TransMedia Watch.

TedTalk January 2018
'Changing Media' by Helen Belcher
www.ted.com/talks/helen_belcher_changing_media

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Goosefoot · 18/05/2020 18:08

The business about the Guardian and the BBC is interesting, because as FloralBunting says, they have all kinds of sympathetic coverage, far more than that which is critical, or even relatively neutral. Which says that the demand that people like this are making is that major news sources have only one editorial line that they stick to rigidly on controversial topics.

That's a problematic position, IMO, as someone with an interest in the topic of journalistic integrity more generally.

I thinks it's also worthwhile to widen the lens a little and ask how that seem reasonable to people, and the answer seems to be because it's framed as a rights/identity politics issue. A lot of the left has simply accepted, even before transgender issues were much talked about, that there is a set of idea or views which are not allowed to be questioned seriously by the media or individual journalists. We need to look back and ask ourselves if we've been willing to accept that with regard to other issues, because allowing that is what has allowed the same thinking to go on in these cases.

GrumpyGran8 · 18/05/2020 18:02

I work closely with trans groups, intersex groups and non-binary people.

Does anybody know which intersex groups she's worked with?
Because I'm pretty sure that most intersex groups would have told her that their medical condition is nothing to do with being either trans or NB, and they're fed up with non-intersex people constantly appropriating it.

HermioneWeasley · 18/05/2020 18:02

She can keep trying to sell it - those of us with eyes and ears aren’t buying it

FloralBunting · 18/05/2020 17:59

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52690931

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-52668174

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51928077

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52560676

These are four overwhelmingly positive and sympathetic articles on the BBC new website from the last couple of weeks. The idea that the BBC are doing anything other than promote the accepted narrative of wide-eyed admiration towards trans ideas is laughable.

BTW, the story in the last link features a powerful Egyptian man and his child who now is seen as a man. It's all about the father being hailed for 'accepting his son.'

It's only when you get to the last small paragraph that the BBC mentions that some people are not quite so starry eyed as daddy dearest said he was relieved that he now has a son because imagine the horror if he had ended up with a daughter after having a male child to begin with.

R0wantrees · 18/05/2020 17:56

June 2018 Baroness Liz Barker chaired the Westminster Social Policy Forum, 'Next Steps for Trans Equality'

Speakers included:
Dr Polly Carmichael (GIDs Tavistock), Bex Stimpson (Head of Trans InclusionStonewall), Liz Barker (Lords), Helen Belcher (Trans Media Watch, James Palmer (Medical Director Specialised Services, NHS England), Sean Dellenty (Dept education), Ollie Entwistle (Head of LGBT policy, Govt. Women & Equalities), Megan Key (probation), Tunge Ogungbesan (Head of Diversity, Inclusion and Succession BBC), Julia Neal (Head: The Education Union)...

See picture for Liz Barker's opening remarks.

Nic Williams (Fairplay for Women) commented:

"I represented @fairplaywomen at the Trans Equality Conference. I was shocked by the opening remarks telling us there would be no dissent, no challenges & 'transphobes' would be removed. An appalling hostile tone set by the chair...
Imagine what is was like to have these opening words in a conf full of reps from the NHS, university, government, big business, charity. These remarks were designed to intimidate & silence. It did not. We still stood up and spoke"

twitter.com/AskNic/status/1012384349055045632

thread (includes significant statements from TRA speakers):
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents

Baroness Liz Barker (LibDem Lords) interview, "There has been a vicious campaign against Trans women. Orchestrated by extreme right wingers from the US, but it is perpetrated by.. women of the left"
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NearlyGranny · 18/05/2020 17:47

She reeks of the Koolaid she's been swigging, doesn't she? Still, when your party is in the middle, I suppose it's tempting to blame the far right and the far left at the same time!

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 18/05/2020 17:46

...the constant assertions that trans women pose a threat to other women are fanned by journalists. The constant assertions that these are constant assertions is incredibly wearying...

This is exactly like the repetitions of creationists, who object to the constant assertion that they are descended from apes, which nobody except creationists has ever said.

EmpressLangClegInChair · 18/05/2020 17:44

There’s no such thing as LGBT+ rights. The phrase nearly always means T rights. Lesbians get no benefits at all from gender identity shit - quite the opposite.

Lordfrontpaw · 18/05/2020 17:40

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Freespeecher · 18/05/2020 17:08

Liz Barking (both mad and up the wrong tree).

popehilarious · 18/05/2020 17:04

the constant assertions that trans women pose a threat to other women are fanned by journalists.

The constant assertions that these are constant assertions is incredibly wearying and shows they're either not listening or deliberately misrepresenting the points that are actually of concern.

Really can't be arsed going through this again.

Campervan69 · 18/05/2020 17:04

I think they can rant all they want. I don't think the current government is buying it thank goodness. Sane policy making is what is needed here now.