Is trans tape any safer than a binder?

It's a zombie 🧟‍♀️

That said, I hope things worked out for the OP and her daughter.

OP have you tried Bayswater Support https://www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/

@PeggyGuggenheim what did you decide and how did it work out for your child? If you don’t mind me asking x

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult how is your child doing now, 4 years on? I hope you and they are ok x

Must be one of the many glitches of the new ‘improved’ site!

FFS my teen DD is not trans and she hates her breasts and would do anything to have smaller ones, or to be able to get rid of them altogether. Hating your boobs isn’t a sign of anything other than being a normal teenage girl.

The fact that girls are being encouraged to damage themselves in the name of dysphoria, instead of being supported to accept the TOTALLY NORMAL bodily changes they’re going through is sickening.

OP you know this is not ok, you don’t need us to tell you. You know that your daughter needs to learn to love and accept her changing body, not think of ways to damage it. Forbid the breast binding/ tape, neither are healthy, and work on what ideas she is exposed to. Where is she getting the self hate and misogyny from? If the internet, monitor her access. If a particular school social group, consider withdrawing her. Be careful her male family members m aren’t sexist towards her and making her hate being female. Expose her to positive strong female role models away from the sexist sterotypes promoted by the trans lobby. Maybe army cadets? Church groups? Rock climbers? Volunteering? If she’s searching for ‘her people’ find her a better crowd.

How very odd! It showed up on the front page of FWR, for me, near the top of the board. I am confused.

Oh dear. Thanks Titchy.

FFS zombie thread - predates the bloody pandemic!

OP.

Please don't panic. You can take your time, maybe show your daughter the research if you want to tell her you're looking into the matter and haven't forgotten?

www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/

Here we go:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27300085/

'Over 97% reported at least one of 28 negative outcomes attributed to binding. Frequency (days/week) was consistently associated with negative outcomes (22/28 outcomes). Compression methods associated with symptoms were commercial binders (20/28), elastic bandages (14/28) and duct tape or plastic wrap (13/28). Larger chest size was primarily associated with dermatological problems.'

For fuck sake.

Does the research with 1800 females detailing the effects of this binders not matter to those who are advocating for them, or is it the emotionally manipulative aspect that you want to push.

OP. The research is linked above. It is clear that you are the parent here and it would be good to have a very upfront and very clear conversation about this. There is no safe way to bind.

would difficult’s option work.

To those trying to emotionally manipulate the OP, please stop. We have also had enough PE teachers on Mn tell us that girls wearing binders then also self exclude from physical activity which is also vital for better mental health. Just stop with the emotional manipulation.

I recall the large scale study done on breast binding found that commercial binders were actually more dangerous than tape/bandages. I'll try and find it, OP.

Does trans tape damage the breast tissue in the same way as a binder?

It pulls the tissue apart and back, rather than constricting the whole chest in a tight hug, so it would seem like a better option (also because it gives the possibility to wear it for 5 days, say at school, whereas school followed by hanging out with friends is likely to breach the 8 hour recommended max of wearing a binder).

I wouldn't see sports bra's as an option because by the time they'd give the desired effect, they'd be entirely on par with a binder, and if they didn't, then... well, there's no point in the sports bra. Some individuals may have little breast tissue which would enable a flattened chest with a sports bra, but the average chest would still visibly be breasts, which is the whole issue for those with dysphoria.

That is, of course, assuming they want trans tape because they're dysphoric. I've also seen the same desire expressed by butch girls, tomboys and less masculine girls who don't want their chest on display and it's very nice that there's an option for them to feel comfortable or show nonconformity in their outward appearance.

SomeonesChild most mothers on here would cut off their own arms rather than allow a child to damage themselves. There are many reasons why we do not succumb to threats of suicide. There are other ways of dealing with mental illness than physically causing damage to themselves. If someone feels this bad about themselves, it’s those inner feelings that have to change and it is not any mothers job to pretend otherwise.

I know a lot of people have said 'so sorry you have had to post this'. I apologise on their behalf. What your child has chosen to do with their body is not something to be sorry about, and whatever you're "dealing" with doesn't have to be dealt with, it's something you and your child can talk about and bond over. Your acceptance of your child is bound to make them proud of having a parent like you.

I wouldn't allow either. I would look into minimser bras (M&S used to do them) or a good quality sports bra.

AliviS that is a particularly damaging viewpoint. Saying that kids kill themselves because parents aren't allowing them their own way is ridiculous.

I have a child, who is trans, and I am being, and have been, very supportive, but I haven't allowed binders or blockers, because parenting a trans child is about balancing long term damage, that cannot be undone, with mental health issues, that may be resolved though other means. As parents we need to think about the long term too, and we have the benefit of knowing that teens often go through phases, and basing a lifetime of treatments and infertility and damage on, what could very well be, a phase, even if its a year or two, is utterly negligent.

Op, I have went with sports bras and minimising bras and baggy tops for my child, it has worked very well and my child feels very comfortable.

Oh stop being so silly AliviS. You’re talking to the grownups now. We don’t fall for the emotional blackmail and lies about trans suicide.

Also reported.

Reported @AliviS.