Times article - Aimee Challenor suspended

I am shocked at that complete load of anti-democratic, illiberal misogyny that the Lib Dems are coming out with.

LibDems, Labour & Greens have all said they'll introduce gender self iD. ALthough I haven't seen manifestoes yet.

Tories are prevaricating, and have been for years.

SNP were about to pass self ID, but then didn't (thanks to sterling work by Joan MacFarlane & Joanna Cherry) and have now reopened consultation/shelved it.

Much as it pains me to say this, I think on self ID Boris is our best hope. Or SNP if you're in Scotland.

Boris is o particular feminist advocate, but then neither is "TWAW" Jeremy Corbyn,

Realistically, the next govt will be led by Corbyn or Boris. I don't want either - but I'm already resigned to Boris.

glitter I want that question answered too. I think someone on here said the communist party are GC (i.e. believe in scientifically proven reality). Other than that I don't think any party is openly pro-women and children / retaining single sex spaces. It seems to me of the 3 main ones the Tories are the best - they're less "TWAW no debate" than the others and some of their MPs have spoken up for women - but they've messed up Brexit spectacularly, plus austerity (which impacts women more), plus all the problems with the NHS, so not sure I can bring myself to vote for them.

As for the LibDems, I persuaded my mum not to vote for them today.

As for Aimee Challenor - father in prison for child sex offences, fiance posting stories with similar sentiments online. I mean, come on! Challenor does not have the maturity, experience, good judgement or training to be working with any political party or youth organisation.

Do any of the parties uphold women's sex based right to keep men (including TW) out of women's spaces? Where would I look to find this information?

I don't want my daughters coming against people with XY or XXY chromosomes in sport. I don't want female spaces, jobs, awards, crime statistics populated by males.

It is my number one topic.

If i was an outsider who hadn't read up on this stuff, I'd be staring at that article with my jaw on the floor. It reads like "you couldn't make it up!"

Nathaniel's twitter was categorically not hacked. (I mean, who? WHY?) I was watching this happening live, and Nathaniel started defending himself vociferously, and then said "oh the MN terfs have seen this now, and are going on about it" - there was also a blog found, written by him, with several v dodgy paedophilic and incestuous "stories" on that he called "fantasy erotica".

Just another perv who realised, too late, that outside his online bubble this stuff really isn't acceptable.

I think it’s for the best if Aimee has now permanently retired from politics.

Apart from the fact they were a charisma free zone it’s really very odd to have similar fetishes to their now imprisoned dad. The best thing Chanellor could now do is to have intensive therapy to unpick their horrific childhood.

Don't forget the lib dems have also passed a motion to remove the 'spousal veto' as they erroneously call it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3717872-Trans-Widows-the-Liberal-Democrats-and-the-Spousal-Veto

According to Joani some stuff was cut from the final article but AC is definitely off the Stonewall panel.

twitter.com/joaniwalshi/status/1193289968078196739

God, they look like ineffectual handwringing dicks, don't they?

If the cap fits...

Am so glad light is being shone on these situations now. I have no beef with AC who must have had an awful childhood; but the bizarre behaviour of all these political parties who lose all judgement the minute someone says they are trans does need to be given the cold light of day. Thank you to the Times for the story.

Great article, well done the Times, Joani Walsh and Sian Griffiths.

And despite the well overdue suspension of Challenor, the Lib Dems won't get my vote now, even though I was thinking of voting for my local woman Lib Dem candidate.

The breathtaking arrogance of telling a GNC woman to, essentially, fuck off and then also saying "As liberals we champion everyone’s right to live the life they want" - well that GNC woman wanted to join the Lib Dems so clearly not. Words do mean things you know, you can't just say "we're really really nice you know, now fuck off" and expect people to believe you (or even vote for you).

I'll fix that for you Lib Dems "As liberals we champion men's right to live the life they want". Women, on the other hand, they want to restrict as much as possible. They'd like to prevent us from believing in science and facts and sanction us if we have the temerity to do so.

Sorry - clicky link archive.li/PhxK7

There’s this thread about Nathaniel - the lib dems were made aware at the time, but apparently it wasn’t a concern.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3639203-Nathaniel-Knight-partner-of-Aimee-Challenor-worrying-twitter-admissions?

Where I noted
“Kat if my memory serves Katrina Swales was / is in a poly relationship with AC and NK, but I'm not sure how this fits in with AC and NKs planned wedding in December.”

Nathaniel deleted his original tweets but there are screen shots on the thread and it was archived (archive.li/PhxK7)

I'm glad to see they have kicked AC out but I'm clearly not welcome in the party so I will take my vote elsewhere.

Just curious, has AC actually met Nathaniel Knight in person?

Yes, and they’ve been on holiday with their other girlfriend, but I think the poly relationship either ended or is being not talked about as much / is no longer the primary relationship.

I could look it up, but I’m having a lovely Sunday morning.

So if the Lib Dem’s are saying that they don’t want people in their party who don’t believe someone can change their biological sex, does that mean they actually believe people can change their biological sex? So, they don’t believe scientific facts? Bloody hell, they are essentially as wacky as flat-earthers.

They are the only party that has ever come close to challenging the Tories in my consituency, but I’d rather spoil my ballot than vote for that shite.

If the boyfriend has such fantasies why would he talk about them on twitter?
I’m sure many people have fantasies that they haven’t told anyone about.

Just curious, has AC actually met Nathaniel Knight in person? Or is this one of those "we're soul mates because we've chatted all night online" jobs?

This account hacked stuff isn't going to stand up, is it? They sound like the same tweets as were circulated here earlier this year and no-one denied they were genuine then. Unless, there are other, much worse tweets?

I think it’s more that comments on sensitive subjects Are pre-moderated. My own comment says pending.

Great article laying it all out. Go Joanni

Upper I think there's a glitch on the Times app/website. As far as I can work out, the comments box appears by default below all articles, but news articles (as opposed to comment and opinion pieces) are not actually open for comments. So you write something and it disappears down a cyber black hole. (I wish the Times would fix this so the comment box simply didn't appear below news articles: I think the actual policy is a good one - news reports what's happened, opinion pieces are where people can argue back.)

I commented on the Times piece via the app but my comment seems to have disappeared

They’ve lost the plot completely
That article was good tho. Laid it out clearly. Dad convicted child sex abuser; boyfriend fantasises about the same.

A spokesperson for the Liberal Democrats said: “That’s sort of where we’re at. The response we’ve sent back is polite. Our views aren’t aligned with her views.”

FFS. I can’t vote for a party that says if you don’t believe people can actually change sex they don’t want you as a member. That is insane and utterly illiberal.

Would love to vote Lib Dem but am not voting for anti-free speechers