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Typical BBC bias

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Gone2far · 08/07/2019 23:00

Has anyone just seen Newsnight? It's just had a short segment on No Outsiders, with Emily Maitlis and a female spokesperson both saying earnestly how important it is. AND NO OTHER POINT OF VIEW.

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PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 19:04

Looking at the Butterfly threads now, some MNers did make their views known to ITV but I haven't found any detail about what (if any) replies they got.

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 18:53

Looking at broadcast drama, Butterfly and Emmerdale are ITV.

Again, I haven't caught those as I don't watch much TV. I seem to remember there was thread on MN about Butterfly, which included a visit to Mermaids. Mermaids claim they saw a spike in referrals after the show.

Goosefoot · 09/07/2019 18:46

Yes, actually the whole thing makes me feel a little unhinged. The BBC, the Guardian, and then closer to home for me, and even worse bias, the CBC.
I always knew that the CBC at least leaned in a certain direction, but the blatant suppression on this issue, and now advocacy, is really shocking.
I feel like I am getting into real conspiracy theory territory. I also have had to start questioning some of their other narratives, I feel like next it could be the moon landing. I have had to stop listening to the CBC, my husband still does and I can't help but get angry as I constantly see how they are promoting one viewpoint so that any other is completely obscured.

nauticant · 09/07/2019 18:39

I've been skeptical about the bias BBC crowd for ages, mainly because they seemed to come across as nutcases.

But now all I see is that after Savile, the BBC still play down safeguarding of children when it comes to groups whose interests they want to advance. You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to see that there's either something rotten or sinister at the heart of the BBC.

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 18:09

I've been taking a look at how other news broadcasters have covered this.

I don't watch much live TV, so can't compare their purely broadcast offerings.

What I can find on their websites seems similar to the BBC.

Eg
Sky
news.sky.com/story/teacher-at-centre-of-lgbt-lessons-row-in-birmingham-received-death-threat-11688253

ITV
www.itv.com/news/central/2019-07-03/school-to-restart-no-outsiders-equality-lessons-after-consultation-with-parents/

There was a thread this morning about Piers Morgan calling someone a bigot on ITV's Good Morning (I didn't see GMB, so can't form my own judgement www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3633339-To-think-that-for-medical-reasons-it-is-important-that-transgender-people-are-correctly-sexed )

AnotherAdultHumanFemale · 09/07/2019 17:24

The BBC has been sinisterly biased on this whole issue. It has made me realise that in the UK we clearly have a lot of 'media blackouts' on stories that don't fit whatever agenda they are trying to push. I used to dismiss that notion before and believed the BBC was fair but this issue has shown that it only pushes the narrative it wants to. It makes me question everything else it reports now.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 09/07/2019 17:16

Did anyone else get invited to take part in a survey about the BBC after making a complaint about their bias?
You can find the survey at
www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/A3Z54/
It needs to be completed before midday on Thursday 11th July.

Until I saw the questions I was quite optimistic, expecting to be given a chance to point out repeated evidence of BBC bias in reporting or ignoring news stories and choice of guests to discussion programmes.

Turns out that there are only 3 questions.
1. How important is an independent, impartial news service? - The available answers do not include the option Yes, that would be good, so if you could change things to make your news service independent and impartial I would be delighted.
2. How important is it that we have a non-commercial, independent national broadcaster? - "Very important, which is why I am so dismayed by your current output" is not available as an option.
3. Should the BBC continue to be funded through the TV licence fee? - My preferred answer "It would be if you really were impartial and unbiased, but as things stand you ignore developments or misrepresent them with blatant lies. So you are charging people a hefty fee and serving them spin and propaganda in return, under the guise of impartiality and independence." was again conspicuous by its absence, so I chose No.

Notice the way they started out with two very leading questions with obvious yes answers before sneaking in that final question about the license fee? I wonder how much of the license fee went towards producing those three questions?

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 12:33

(I think where I've seen that diagram, Group A is labelled as conservatives, Group B as the transgender movement, and Group C as radical feminists.)

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2019 12:30

reframed “gender” (and, by association, a particularly sexualized version of femininity) as an empowering choice individuals make"

This.

It takes me back to that set diagram where
Group A thinks "Your gendered behaviour doesn't match your body => change your behaviour";
Group B thinks, "Your gendered behaviour doesn't match your body => change your body";
Group C thinks, "Your body and your behaviour are just fine. There's no such thing as not matching."

Group B are acting in response to Group A... but it's a faulty response because it relies on Group A's faulty premises.

LangCleg · 09/07/2019 12:15

Here, by the way, is the letter signed by MPs and initiated by Hardy - and why the Newsnight slot was aired.

Thanks to Safe Schools Alliance for pointing this out:

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1148547868313161730

LangCleg · 09/07/2019 12:02

It was atrocious and Emma Hardy MP was woefully ignorant.

R0wantrees · 09/07/2019 11:55

In Canada the CBC is absolutely state propaganda.

Feminist Current article:
‘Drag Kids’ doesn’t celebrate the ‘true self’; it pushes hyper-feminization and hyper-sexualization on kids
If we can see the problem with sexualizing girls in beauty contests, surely we can see the similarities in “drag kids.”
JULY 8, 2019 by MEGHAN MURPHY

(extract)
"The CBC’s recent, baffling obsession with “drag kids” is reaching new heights. A teaser for the CBC’s new Drag Kids documentary, scheduled to air on July 26th, promises to offer “a glimpse into the glamorous lives of four of these dreamers — also known as kid drag queens — as they meet other drag kids for the first time.” Images of these “drag kids” show four children, aged 10-12, loaded up with makeup, false eyelashes, wigs, and heels. A boy on the top left, Nemis Melancon-Golden, appears particularly sexualized, dressed up as some version of a cowgirl Barbie. “Their colourful journey is studded with high heels, makeup and car singalongs. It’s also fraught with hardships, from backstage meltdowns to the hate and harassment that comes with being a kid who likes to dress up,” the write up explains.

But of course this is not simply about “dressing up.” Every kid loves playing dress up. Most have some version of a tickle trunk full of costumes and their parents old clothes. It is great fun. But Drag Kids is about much more than just playing dress up.

These kids are learning hyper-feminization, and hyper-sexualization, and being told this is about “expressing their true selves.” The CBC (and liberal culture at large) has reframed “gender” (and, by association, a particularly sexualized version of femininity) as an empowering choice individuals make" (continues)
www.feministcurrent.com/2019/07/08/drag-kids-doesnt-celebrate-the-true-self-it-pushes-hyper-feminization-and-hyper-sexualization-on-kids/

PhoenixBuchanan · 09/07/2019 07:06

In Canada the CBC is absolutely state propaganda. No questioning whatsoever of the "progressive" (oh, how I've come to hate that word) party line. I don't think the BBC is all that far behind tbh.

KatnissEverbeen · 09/07/2019 07:03

I always used to dismiss people who said the BBC was propaganda for the state but now I believe them.

Gone2far · 09/07/2019 06:21

...having said that, one of the points was that the government should not be leaving the decision about this to individual headteachers, which I think is right.

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Gone2far · 09/07/2019 06:12

I was too fed up to say more last night, but it was 19 minutes in
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I was just astonished that it was presented as though 'surely all reasonable people would agree to this' and invoked, unquestioningly, the Equalities Act. I was so disappointed in Emily Maitlis, who was completely uncritical.

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Coyoacan · 09/07/2019 00:24

A couple of weeks ago, they had someone on Radio 4 news who is supposedly a mediator with the parents in the school where the problem is. I've never heard a more completely biased mediator in my life. He had nothing but contempt for the opponents of No Outsiders.

R0wantrees · 08/07/2019 23:36

Someone should send them Shelley Charlesworth analysis

www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-queering-primary-classroom/

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