Dr Mike Webberley suspended

Details of the Times front page in case anyone missed that: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553935-Times-article-calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children?pg=1&order=

Some threads referencing healthcare expert Professors like Susan Bewley and other medical colleagues publishing in medical journals on children and the permanent, unevidenced treatments being given to transition them:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339177-Excellent-BMJ-Article-Responding-to-Previous-One-Featuring-ATH

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410257-BMJ-article-We-need-research-to-explore-the-interplays-between-gender-identity-mental-health-and-neurodevelopmental-problems-sexual-orientation-autogynephilia-and-unpalatable-gender-roles

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3552430-Posible-answer-to-why-arent-more-doctors-speaking-up

Also evidence based medicine specialist Professor Carl Heneghan: speaking out via BBC interview: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518188-BMJ-Prof-Carl-Heneghan-Evidence-Based-Medicine-Oxford-Panorama-Trans-Kids-Gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-Evidence-review-concludes-There-are-significant-problems

We need Parliament to make new law to keep children and young people safe. We need a statutory regulated system, with licensing, case by case application before any child is transitioned medically and frequent regulatory inspection of all the clinical work in this area. Such that eg

-Parliament should make it illegal for anyone but a licensed doctor (whether NHS or private) to give a specific child or person aged under 25 years old, blockers or hormones or surgery except under licensed conditions after a case by case review process. This should be overseen by a regulator with statutory powers (ie legal powers given to them to licence, refuse or revoke a licence)

-Same for surgical egg retrieval and surgical sperm storage for kids and extracting and storing of prepubescent children’s and young people’s ovarian or testicular tissue where they are too young to have made mature eggs or sperm before their fertility is compromised by this treatment.

The law should also require that:

-clinicians who do this work must collect and share their outcomes data for all these patients from medical records so it can be properly researched.

-Binders should be classed as a prescription-only medical product and again only be possible to provide legally under clinical supervision.

-Talking therapy must be made more available and there should be statutory maximum of the waiting times for any young person to speak to a proper professional about these issues. (And for all other issues while we are at it- CAMHS in general needs to be properly supported and funded).

There should be proper government data collection so we know the full picture of what is being provided in both the public and private sector of practice.

-Criminal sanctions for those who break these laws.

-research funders to fund appropriate professional researchers to properly investigate patient outcomes and to run studies to follow up patients very long term in anonymised ways via medical records.

-And also to fund sociological research (like I think James Caspian wanted to do) interviewing de-transitioned people, medically, hormonally and surgically transitioned people, those currently transitioning via services, and young people and children who are having talking therapies only for starters.

-Research should also be funded to talk to family members so they can talk about their experiences of caring for children and young people in this space.

-research with the clinical service providers to talk about their professional experience of doing this work.

Groups with power in this area should all be taking a stand and calling for a select committee inquiry into this NOW. So that would include.

All of the medical and psychological professional societies and royal colleges, the BMA (the doctors’ trade union) and the regulators of medical or psychological practice like the General Medical Council (GMC) who have taken this action.

Plus any organisation who supports research and evidence based medicine, especially in the NHS- like NICE, the NHS in each UK nation, but also the government departments in health, the medical and scientific research funders,
Plus any childrens’ and young people’s paediatric medical groups and bodies.

Excellent post chatty.

And no MP attended a talk at the HoC about medical ethics and the trans agenda and instead Moonie was suspended from the Labour Party and subsequently resigned.

That's telling.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3586228-Important-Standing-For-Women-House-of-Lords-Meeting-today-First-Do-No-Harm-The-ethics-of-transgender-healthcare-hosted-Lord-Moonie-focus-on-the-Duty-of-Care

That’s good the GMC have acted but they can only do that within the current remit they have which can’t protect children fully enough.

We really need concerted GMC, BMA medical ethical guidance action and as Parliamentary (Commons Health and Social Care Select committee) investigation and action on this.

We need the UK Parliament to take the results of that enquiry (they will be damning) and then Parliament needs to make new laws requiring licensing approval from a regulatory body to be given before any person is legally permitted to permanently trans a child- by which I mean prescribing or providing blockers, hormones and surgery.

We need it to be illegal to get hormones or blockers these off the web in the UK or overseas or send them from overseas into the UK. We need a public education campaign about the permanent, harmful effects of medical and hormonal and surgical interventions, while emphasising that children and young people’s mental health issues need to be better supported.

We don’t have the evidence to show that physical body modifications and harmful drugs are the answer to the pain of gender dysphoria that (some of the) kids attending NHS gender identity clinics are grappling with.

It absolutely shouldn’t be legal to allow parents or children to get these drugs off overseas doctors to consume in the UK. Why are the charities for trans kids not putting out proper health warnings?

From The Guardian link about Russell Reid upthread.

Six patients brought legal action against the NHS for damages caused by genital surgery that they were rushed into.

Sarah Brown, of the Lib Dem LGBT bonkers wing, shown accompanying Russell Reid out of the hearing. In 2007.

Also, from that article:

"The panel chairman added that Patient C, a convicted paedophile, was still uncertain about his gender identity after having a sex change. The male-to-female transsexual has returned to living as a man and wants surgery to try to reverse his gender reassignment".

But it never happens, right?

And what happens if the NHS is dismantled further?

'Mike Webberley was charging the 1600 children more than £360 plus £30 a month each

1600?

Has it been confirmed how many children the Webberleys have been issuing prescriptions to?

(Speculation on my behalf here, but I think NHS GIC doctors such as James Barrett take a dim view of private practioners - there are a few NHS doctors who also practise privately, but anyone outside of the small number of NHS specialists is treated with extreme suspicion

I think Helen Webberley identified a complaint against her to the GMC as being made by James Barrett.

Just as there is an outpouring of unquestioning support for the Drs Webberley from their patients/customers, Russell Reid enjoyed the same.

Wiki:
"Britain's primary lobbying organization for transgender and transsexual people, Press for Change, was quoted as saying that Reid received support during the process from more than 150 patients as well as additional experts in the area. Furthermore, as many as 462 of Dr. Reid' s ex patients posted positive comments during and after his hearing on a blogspot In Support of Dr. Russell Reid, and still continue to leave positive feedback."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Reid

And no MP attended a talk at the HoC about medical ethics and the trans agenda and instead Moonie was suspended from the Labour Party and subsequently resigned.

That's telling.

It's unforgivable. See nothing, hear nothing, do nothing. I've had enough of the cowardice of MPs who go around telling journalists that they're worried but can't say anything publicly because transphobia. They need to grow a spine, pronto.

How many of these gender specialists offer free treatment?

There's your answer.

None of them are believers.

They are all charlatans.

Thanks Pencils and DuMondeB

I can’t wait for clinics affirming the body dysmorphia of people with anorexia to pop up. I mean, if they think their body is wrong and they need to starve it, we should believe them and affirm it, right?

It will more likely be affirming BIID next (limb removal etc)
There are clear parallels as evident in this article from last year:

'Living with Body Integrity Identity Disorder: A condition that convinces sufferers to amputate their own limbs'

metro.co.uk/2018/10/11/living-with-body-integrity-identity-disorder-a-condition-that-convinces-sufferers-to-amputate-their-own-limbs-8023938/

Not least that Dr Russell Reid was involved.

Julie Bindel wrote about this in 2003 Sunday Telegraph:

(extract)
"Today the best-known psychiatrist dealing with transsexualism is Dr Russell Reid, who runs a private practice as well as working in the NHS. In 2000 Reid was involved in controversy over the condition known as Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD), where sufferers can experience a desperate urge to rid themselves of a limb. Reid was one of the psychiatrists who referred two patients with BDD to a surgeon for leg amputations. ‘When I first heard of people wanting amputations it seemed bizarre in the extreme,’ he said in a television documentary at the time, ‘but then I thought, "I see transsexuals and they want healthy parts of their body removed in order to adjust to their idealised body image," and so I think that was the connection for me. I saw that people wanted to have their limbs off with equally as much degree of obsession and need.’

But to what degree should doctors be acquiescent to the ‘obsessions’ and ‘needs’ of patients; should there be a point at which they are duty-bound to say no? I asked Dr Reid how he decides on the suitability of surgery for a GID sufferer. ‘The patient makes their own diagnosis, and I confirm or refute it. If I am happy that they are serious about considering surgery in the future, I will prescribe hormones and expect them to live as a woman (or a man, if it is a female-to-male patient) for at least a year. If, after that time, they are mentally stable, living a reasonable and public life and functioning as a whole human being, and if the hormones have been effective, I would consider them worthy of surgery." (continues)
archive.li/1bcWN#selection-287.0-295.716

Those fees!
I agree that in this case, money is the root of all....

Interesting, HandsOff.

I'm sure that it is just money that motivates them.

They used to have a list of their (very steep) charges on their website. Which were:

Initial advice is "free" where they sell the other services to you. Remember most of this will be done online with patients never meeting the doctors or counsellors.

Administration fee - £195
Counselling - £50
Appointments - Clinic (£175), Video (£75), Telephone (£50)
Blood tests - price on application
Medication - £20+ (or free if NHS has authorised)
Monthly Fee (advice, prescriptions, letters, GP supervision) - £30
Letters and Reports - £25 plus any assessments

They've revamped their fees page and are now being coy about how much stuff actually costs. Always a sign of stellar professional service in my experience.

They were also flogging "nutritional" advice for a while.

FannyCann - "He is the fourth UK gender affirming doctor to be subject to the GMC restrictions". Who are the other two I wonder?

Dr Richard Curtis, as per DuMondeB's post. Also Dr Russell Reid in 2007:

The UK's best-known expert on transsexualism was today found guilty of serious professional misconduct for rushing five patients into sex-changing treatments, but avoided being struck off.

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/may/25/health.medicineandhealth2

The other of the 4 doctors is presumably Dr Russell Reid:

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/may/25/health.medicineandhealth2

www.bmj.com/content/333/7575/935.2

Dr Curtis took over Reid’s business, the London Gender Clinic

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/06/transexualism-gender-reassignment-richard-curtis

"He is the fourth UK gender affirming doctor to be subject to the GMC restrictions". Who are the other two I wonder?

And no MP attended a talk at the HoC about medical ethics and the trans agenda and instead Moonie was suspended from the Labour Party and subsequently resigned.

That's telling.

It's great that the GMC are doing this, but if political support swings behind giving exceptions for ethics for trans medicine, then the GMC will be powerless to do anything.

And I also note that despite the GMC’s efforts the Quacks at Webberely HQ are still able to keep going. They need a jail term and there needs to be a means to shut down that clinic full stop permanently.

Better picture

A post on Twitter: 'Mike Webberley was charging the 1600 children more than £360 plus £30 a month each to give them hormones that Cancer Research said yesterday increase the risk of developing cancer (and are strongly linked with heart disease and brain damage)'

"He is the fourth UK gender affirming doctor to be subject to the GMC restrictions". Who are the other two I wonder?

There was a Dr Curtis who closed their private practice in similar circumstances at the end of 2017

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9784545/Dr-Richard-Curtis-transsexual-doctor-faces-investigation.html

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/6fi1b7/dr_curtis_announces_that_transhealth_is_to_close/

(Speculation on my behalf here, but I think NHS GIC doctors such as James Barrett take a dim view of private practioners - there are a few NHS doctors who also practise privately, but anyone outside of the small number of NHS specialists is treated with extreme suspicion. Recent events suggest their seems to be merit to that suspicion, and fuck knows trans-questioning patients are ripe for exploitation for profit, due to a lack of official protocols)

All personel are chosen for their commitment to quality and their affirmative approach.

Chosen for their affirmative approach? I've just watched the Swedish documentary Trans Train. The affirmative approach is not the way to go, to put it mildly. I'm devastated for those young women who now regret the damage done to their bodies since they were teenagers, and the doctors just shrug their shoulders and go 'it was a joint decision'.

This is fantastic news regarding the GMC approach to transfer care.

Worrying the can continue to provide a service from outside the UK 😕

I am curious who the other 2 Dr's are as I've only heard mention of these 2.

As for motive - god complex maybe? Money I'm sure plays a part as well.

I can’t wait for clinics affirming the body dysmorphia of people with anorexia to pop up. I mean, if they think their body is wrong and they need to starve it, we should believe them and affirm it, right?

I really don’t see how this is any different.