Joani Walsh was at Accenture, says no trouble beforehand

Does anyone know if Julia is going to make an official complaint about the Police action?

Excellent joani thread:

mobile.twitter.com/joaniwalshi/status/1110261637301309449

Exactly. What were police told were happening/likely to happen that would mean they would turn up in such numbers to a public event.

A breach of the peace really does not look like pizza-eating lesbians with tickets a ticketed ‘inclusive’ public discussion event, doubtless intending to ask some questions of the panellists. In the Q&A session at the end.

The Telegraph article has four relevent quotes which appear to have some significant disparities:

Commander Jane Gyford of the City of London Police said: “Police were called by security guards of a private property on Fenchurch Street at 18.26 on Thursday 21 March 2019. The security guards reported a group of four people who were causing antisocial behaviour and refusing to leave the property. Officers attended to assist the security guards and ensure there was no breach of the peace.”

It also has a quote from Accenture representative:

A spokesperson for Accenture said: “Our request was based on security concerns expressed to us by participants at last night’s events. Although an unfortunate situation, we made a polite request that several individuals leave the gathering. Upon their refusal, we sought assistance.”

The Police Officer quote (recorded in the YouTube footage):

One of the officers who attended Accenture’s offices told the women: “Our legal framework here is to prevent a breach of the peace and that’s what you guys are going to do. We’ve been told you’re being disruptive and you need to leave the premises or we will be forced to remove you.”

At the event, however, Ms Pradip [ Pride in Accenture diversity network ]told the women: “My panel does not feel comfortable with you here”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/22/seven-police-officers-sent-remove-four-women-inclusive-talk/

What were the alleged security concerns?
What does 'causing anti-social behaviour' look like?

You can ask people to leave but you cannot chose to ask people based on a protected characteristic.

A breach of the peace really does not look like pizza-eating lesbians with tickets a ticketed ‘inclusive’ public discussion event, doubtless intending to ask some questions of the panellists. In the Q&A session at the end.

Precisely.

I used to live in an extremely rough inner city area. Many's the night I've been woken up at 1, 2, 3am by a drug or alcohol fuelled fracas in the street outside, followed by the police showing up. I never ceased to be amazed at the sheer amount of restraint your average beat bobby put into dealing with situations like this - they'd spend 20 minutes, half an hour, more talking people down, and generally only loaded people into the van if they became violent.

But somehow Accenture can get 7 police officers to surround a lesbian quietly eating a pizza at a meeting for which she obtained a ticket...

If you're not already on the thread, I urge everyone to have a good look at the excellent thread underway on
Regulatory Capture.

Absolutely chattylion

A breach of the peace really does not look like pizza-eating lesbians with tickets a ticketed ‘inclusive’ public discussion event, doubtless intending to ask some questions of the panellists. In the Q&A session at the end.

There is zero evidence of these women disrupting or trying to stop the event happening which could have breached the peace.

Un-Like those masked fuckers at the JamJar in Bristol in 2018 who were hemming women speakers in beforehand and threatening them.

I have no doubt that Julia Long and whoever came to the LGBT Accenture event to listen and to ask pertinent questions. #no debate is really not how gender critical women work.

If speakers can only speak to a preselected uncritical audience or otherwise THE POLICE ARE CALLED TO REMOVE THE AUDIENCE.. and/or organisers create or facilitate this.. they all need to consider if they really have right on their side and we should all be asking what the fuck they are so scared of being asked?

As soon as I heard it was City Police I knew M. Edward Lord (non binary) would have a hand in there somewhere.

threads discussing Edward Lord's influence;

Re Freemasons:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323475-Surprise-The-Masons-now-welcome-Transwomen-but-not-women
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3324416--Freemasons-to-admit-women-but-only-if-they-first-joined-as-men

Re City of London:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317922-City-of-London-Corporation-consultation-is-out-this-covers-Hampstead-Ponds

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3380245-The-City-of-London-consultation-didn-t-go-quite-as-they-hoped

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3400894-city-of-london-corporation-gender-survey-results

also relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3459026-Edward-Lord-asking-the-Sunday-Times-to-censor-Andrew-Gilligan

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3352843-First-there-was-Jess-Bradley-then-the-Challenors-now-Edward-Lord

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316098-Childrens-Convenor-Elected-Councillor-calls-women-cunts-on-Twitter-rants

Edward Lord's partner Dr Meg-John Barker wrote the BACP Best Practice guide which is strongly based on Queer Theory.

discussed last year in MSM re Northern Women steeotype and currently under review by BACP following challenges:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350668-The-British-Association-for-Counselling-and-Psychotherapy-have-come-up-with-Definition-of-woman

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

I'm not sure Edward Lord's considerable role & influence on ending single sex women & girls sport has been discussed much yet

What happened to Dr Long was appalling and inexcusable.

Fuck off, Accenture, with your woke "inclusive" bullshit. We see you for the bigots you are.

As soon as I heard it was City Police I knew M. Edward Lord (non binary) would have a hand in there somewhere.

GC women at their all-inclusive-but-better-not-let-the-likes-of-Julia-Long-in event? Immediate police attendance & removal = mandatory.

Interestingly, the Police Authority for the City of London Police is the City of London Corporation, through its Court of Common Council. (in case anyone thinks its part of the Metropolitan Police)

Mr/Ms Edward Lord (non-binary) is a member of the Court of Common Council.

Remember him/her/them?

A few points:

• Accenture is a big company and of course the police are going to come when they call. Especially as this is the City of London Police rather than the Met, and they are (I assume) funded by said big companies. There are 676 CoL police officers and 4000 population. (Plus commuters of course, but presumably most had gone home by this time.)

Saying 'someone was stabbed in Peckham' (or wherever) is not a good argument, because it's not the same police force.

• yes, Accenture had the right to ask them to leave, at which point they were trespassing
• it is not a criminal offence to trespass, and apparently the police have no power to evict people for that reason marstonholdings.co.uk/burlington-group/trespass-claims/
• however it seems Accenture's goons DO have such a right but it is risky for them to do so www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q56.htm
• the police can arrest for or in anticipation of 'breach of the peace' but it's not clear that occurred here.
• the police can of course turn up for the opening of an envelope and 'observe', but the video has them manhandling Julia Long. I am not clear the basis for this?

The completed FWR Accenture thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3539529-Lesbians-removed-from-Accenture-inclusive-trans-event-by-7-police-officers?

Joani Walsh
@joaniwalshi
Police have now been called to Lime St Station where razor blades behind a picture of Dr Julia Long have been discovered. Merseyside Police are investigating Anthony Gormley sculptures of Julia Long covered with Accenture Doesn't Have Balls stickers.

Although the word Kettering makes my post risible

I'm dyslexic so I parsed it as kettling the first time and got all nostalgic for The Meaning of Liff when you followed up by mentioning Kettering. Thanks for bringing a touch of light relief to a dismal topic.

Kettering (n.) The marks left on your bottom or thighs after sunbathing on a wickerwork chair.

Joani Walsh doing great work on this stuff

Joani 🍷🍷💃💃💪💪

And six people were stabbed in London where were the police? Throwing there weight around with more questioning lesbians? or perhaps arresting people for wrong think? Security could have delt with it themselves instead they called the police who sent seven officers who patronised two women calling them guys on more than one occasion and from my eyes looked like they were provoking them

"Commander Jane Gyford of the City of London Police said: “Police were called by security guards of a private property on Fenchurch Street at 18.26 on Thursday 21 March 2019. The security guards reported a group of four people who were causing antisocial behaviour and refusing to leave the property. Officers attended to assist the security guards and ensure there was no breach of the peace.”

from The Telegraph article:
(extracts)
"Tickets to the event were freely available to the public, with organisers Helena Pradip and Oliver Holmes of the Pride in Accenture diversity network sending a message to ticket holders which said: 'Please be reminded that this event is centred around inclusion, open to everyone of all ages.'

At the event, however, Ms Pradip told the women: “My panel does not feel comfortable with you here”. (continues)

There was no indication from organisers Miss Green was responsible for the complaint.

Commander Jane Gyford of the City of London Police said: “Police were called by security guards of a private property on Fenchurch Street at 18.26 on Thursday 21 March 2019. The security guards reported a group of four people who were causing antisocial behaviour and refusing to leave the property. Officers attended to assist the security guards and ensure there was no breach of the peace.”

[this is confirmed in the video by the Police Officer who states (YouTube 2:27) that "Our legal framework here is to prevent a breach of the peace and thats what you guys are going to do. We've been told you're being disruptive......... They've said you've been disruptive and rude" ]

A spokesperson for Accenture said: “Our request was based on security concerns expressed to us by participants at last night’s events. Although an unfortunate situation, we made a polite request that several individuals leave the gathering. Upon their refusal, we sought assistance.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/22/seven-police-officers-sent-remove-four-women-inclusive-talk/

So the questions are whether the women were 'asked politely by Accenture staff to leave, that they refused & behaved anti-socially before 18:26 when police were called & given such information to inform their response

The harnessing (and misuse of) state power, not just any old power.

We're talking not about nightclub bouncers or private security firms, but the police, who are not meant to be there to enforce political obedience to particular ideologies, but to protect the population from genuine crime.

This needs repeating, over and over again - women are being subject to police action for asking awkward questions.

Although the word Kettering makes my post risible

I do wonder why they were filming before the police showed up, if they had no prior indication that their presence was causing or likely to provoke an issue.

Because they wanted to demonstrate the inevitable harnessing of power to silence them. Highly successful, weren't they?

Now we know exactly where the power resides and who is and, more to the point, who is not, suffering from oppression.

That's ok Fermats I didn't think it was a dig. As soon as I re-read my post I thought damn, should have checked before posting