Panorama 25 Feb 20.30hrs: Trans Kids: Why Medicine Matters **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

A research article, more recent than the 90s, about DID, if you are genuinely interested: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4959824/

Thanks for that link

it leads to a 2016 article

Separating Fact from Fiction: An Empirical Examination of Six Myths About Dissociative Identity Disorder

The authors are listed as follows:

Bethany L. Brand, PhD, Vedat Sar, MD, Pam Stavropoulos, PhD, Christa Krüger, MB BCh, MMed (Psych), MD, Marilyn Korzekwa, MD, Alfonso Martínez-Taboas, PhD, and Warwick Middleton, MB BS, FRANZCP, MD

I just wondered whether you were aware that all of the authors in the paper you recommend are deeply involved in a widely derided centre for quackery and psychiatric malpractice called the International Society for the Study and Treatment of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD)?

This highly abusive organisation has been hurting and exploiting vulnerable people for decades.

Amazingly, even though they have been exposed multiple times over the years and their various members have been disgraced and subjected to disciplinary actions, they are still at it and are still recommended as authorities on MPD/DID/complex trauma by naive people, as your post clearly demonstrates.

If you are really interested in the subject you may wish to check out this excellent albeit now rather old documentary all about the work of the ISSTD

A research article, more recent than the 90s, about DID, if you are genuinely interested: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4959824/

There might be some cases of DID due to social contagion or medical interference, but this is not the case for me - never met anybody else with DID, only read about others online way past the point where I had recognised I was losing time and switching IDs. Didn't have therapists who ever suggested it. The only way I could ever integrate trauma has been to work with these disowned parts of myself. You really have no idea about DID if you think it's all contagion/medically induced. The problem is not people having identities, trans or otherwise, it's confusing identity with material reality. Tavi might have a shady history, but DID is something I live with every day and is a trauma response. As I believe trans identities are (i.e. a trauma response to a gendered world).

Ewe - I only have experience of a couple of those drugs being prescribed to DD. Both had to be prescribed by a psychiatrist and regular monthly checks needed to ensure no physical damage was being done. Anti-depressants can't be prescribed to those under 17 year old by GP.- well that's what our GP said! Also as DD is under 18 they will only prescribe a months worth of tablets at a time to ensure she gets checked before a repeat prescription is issued.

Excellent critical video from the 90s about multiple personality disorder

a more recent video created by a youtube "influencer" promoting the idea of DID as an actual psychiatric condition rather than an iatrogenic condition

It is important to notice the gender issue re the "alters", also the role of "influencers" in terms of the social contagion aspect, as indicated by the messages and posts below the video on youtube.

There are loads of videos like this, mostly from young females, and the similarities with the trans influencer videos are very obvious.

If anyone is interested in exploring this issue further, these videos are informative re the satanic panic

Just watched the end of the programme now. Jade and Reuben seem like lovely young people. Reuben seemed more mature and grounded than many I know twice their age! I really hope things work out well for jade whatever they decide.
Oh dear poor kids - you ache for them.

hoodathunkit I know DID is a pretty "weird" idea to most people, but it's an actual thing - and I know because I have DID. I haven't been anywhere near quackery or clinics convincing me of it - have just lived with this and then found it had a name and others experience it. It's a mental health condition. However, I know that having other gendered and aged identities is a trauma reaction, not a material reality, so e.g. I would not expect somebody to allow my child alters a place at a primary school or my male alters into a male survivors group, because I know my material reality is as an adult female and so do they, I assume (it's a pretty obvious fact, observable to all). The difference in the trans stuff is that it demands people deny material reality and the services and provision which relates to the identity are claimed for people to whom the services/provisions are irrelevant.

The history of psychiatry is full of people who think they have found the answer. Then it becomes like a religion, with evangelists, followers, heretics.

I should also point out that there are loads of very weird, irrational conspiracy theory videos about the Tavistock on youtube from 9/11 truthers and people who believe the Queen is a lizard.

The truth is that there is both good and bad practice at the Tavistock. The bad practice there is very bad indeed but has nothing to do with lizards, aliens or Davic Icke style conspiracies. There are however some extremely disturbing things going on at the Tavi and have been for many years.

Anyone know if these drugs have been tested for safe use in children?

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Ritalin, citalopram, quetiapine, zopiclone, diazepam, haloperidol, sertraline, fluoxetine. Nobody seems to blink an eye at these drugs that are prescribed to our gender dysphoric youngsters. But give them a puberty blocker and it’s 😳😳😳😳😳😳

Just another couple of links

Rachel C Thomas

www.eventscribe.com/2018/ISSTD/ajaxcalls/PresenterInfo.asp?efp=UE9MU1lJQ0k0NjA2&PresenterID=398056&rnd=0.1556631

www.eventscribe.com/2018/ISSTD/ajaxcalls/PresentationInfo.asp?efp=UE9MU1lJQ0k0NjA2&PresentationID=351780&rnd=0.8274118

www.clinicds.co.uk/dr-rachel-thomas-appointed-clinic-director

Re the Carol Felstead case

The Tavistock has a long history of unethical experimentation on vulnerable people that predates the transgender issue.

I am referring specifically to the "work" of some of their clinicians in relation to dissociative identity disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder) and to so called mental health professionals promoting the debunked belief in satanic ritual abuse (SRA).

The Tavistock and Portman NHS Mental Health Foundation Trust funded the development of the -centre for conspiraloonery and quackery- Clinic for Dissociative Studies, founded by the notorious quack Valerie Sinason and currently lead by the demented psychologist Rachel C Thomas.

You can read all about Rachel C Thomas here
greyfaction.org/rachel-c-thomas/

Valerie Sinason here
www.theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/11/carole-myers-satanic-child-abuse
www.justiceforcarol.com (a long but important read)
greyfaction.org/valerie-sinason/

Both Sinason and Thomas had previously worked extensively at the Tavistock as have many other conspiracy theorists promoting DID/MPD and SRA narratives.

My understanding is that there are many similarities between the Tavistock's involvement in SRA hoaxes, hysteria and quackery and malpractice and their involvement re transgender issue, specifically re the abuse of vulnerable, disempowered individuals.

In both situations it is difficult for people to stand up against the "true believers" in a culture where being a dissident could harm your career.

There are good people working at the Tavi as well as quacks. There are also well meaning professionals who simply believe what they are told in their professional training courses or who idealise their managers and clinical supervisors and have never thought to challenge them.

In fact one of the striking similarities between the Dissociative Identity Disorder / Multiple Personality Disorder narrative and that of transgenderism is the concept that rather than a "self" people consist of multiple aspects of the self who may be different genders and even ages.

There are various dubious models of "parts therapies" in which vulnerable people are invited to not simply explore different aspects of themselves but to give these aspects names and identities.

One notorious therapy of this sort is called Internal Family Systems. There are others.

I could write much more about this but I have to go out now

More later

@Jaxhog - we used to - look at pop in the 70-90s. Men in makeup and dresses, women playing guitars dressed in black leather. But I guess the way the world is now, whatever you do needs to be special and edgy.

These daft lads today are probably slapping on some lippy and thinking that’s all great until dad pulls out some photos from 1986 when he had long hair and wore eyeliner and wow - it’s not edgy and cool anymore.

It has to be more now. Gay isn’t cool anymore, unlessssssss - hey I’m male but I’m female! No no I’m a lesbian! And a woman! No an actual woman! What? How do I have sex then? With my lady willy of course you fool!

But but but I’m cool! I’m edgy! You don’t understand! I’m unique! And if you do t agree I will bash your eggshell like skull in with my pretty little baseball bat. Look I even painted it in the trans colours. What do you mean that the suffragette colours! Those bastards, now they steal our colours!

RO I looked that up last night, it looks like it’s Camden CCG & the North Central London group.

What I still don't get, is that you can change your gender i.e. act, dress etc. like your perception of the opposite (or no) gender, without changing your sex. It's attempting to change your sex that is so very permanent. Why can't we encourage youngsters to explore different gender roles without permanent body changes?

I assume ethics, like facts and science, are transphobic.

Whilst going along with the TRAs bullshit of blockers being harmless and reversible, seemingly.

Well, quite.

"We don't know what effect this course of action will have, but the people who really want it assure us that it's completely fine. Ethics? I've heard someone use that word before, is it an acronym?"

How many kids have you done these medical experiments on, and for how long, and you had no idea what the ACTUAL results would be???!!!"

Whilst going along with the TRAs bullshit of blockers being harmless and reversible, seemingly.

Who’s the commissioning group at the Tavistock and Portland? Who authoirised the funding of prescribing off label drugs to children. Who looked at the evidence, or lack of it?

there's a lot of information on recent threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3509817-Times-16-2-1-9-Staff-at-trans-clinic-fear-damage-to-children

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3510367-Tavistock-article-in-the-DM

Who’s the commissioning group at the Tavistock and Portland? Who authoirised the funding of prescribing off label drugs to children. Who looked at the evidence, or lack of it?

Yes seriously you wonder what difference it would have made to Jade if that ruddy school person got over themselves and said yes, absolutely you be an angel, with sparkly wings and halos, boys can wear anything they want to.

It was also briefly mentioned that Jade had had a very troubling childhood.

That's why the programme was so good. The TRAs can't complain it included TERFs because it didn't. It had the kiddie trans clinic and the struck off doctor as the two main interviewees. It's very softly spoken and it's the BBC.
It's perfect to stick on YouTube and share with GC Americans.

Floral - that was exactly my reaction too. Astonishing that Carmichael can't see it.

I am properly astounded that Carmichael announced so blithely that they had secured a very large grant to specifically study how their patients do in the long term, like the viewers should be reassured, instead of saying, as DP and I did, "How many kids have you done these medical experiments on, and for how long, and you had no idea what the ACTUAL results would be???!!!"

This is just one long smorgasbord of horrible revelations.