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Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall

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Whatisthisfuckery · 21/02/2019 16:21

Just seen this on Twitter.

twitter.com/ruth_hunt/status/1098604129394585601?s=21

I’d like to think her successor will be less homophobic. We shall see, although I’m not holding out much hope.

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RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 18:11

I think I misread. I was trying to find the md as they aren't named on Stonewall's site. A Google search put his name next to md Stonewall on a summary but on clicking on the link it was wrong I think.

Still can't find the name of the md of Stonewall though.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 25/02/2019 18:10

Oh shame - that all looked so neat

Bet Lord was tugging the reins though from somewhere

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 25/02/2019 18:08

Edward Lord?

So, that's the ideologue? One anyway.

Was Hunt ever the boss or was she cover for pushing the new agenda?

TimeLady · 25/02/2019 18:05

Lord isn't mentioned on Stonewall's 'Management' page

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are-1

Isn't Managing Director senior management?

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 18:03

No sorry misread stuff.

WeRiseUp · 25/02/2019 18:01

Of Stonewall??????????

Is this true? I feel sick.

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 17:50

If the finances is the reason for her departure, I bet its to do with her not being corporate enough. If she's not delivered the financial target for the year, then she would be under pressure.

R0wantrees · 25/02/2019 17:49

I didn't realise that Edward Lord was the Managing Director.

Of Stonewall??????????

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 17:47

uk.linkedin.com/jobs/view/director-of-membership-operations-at-stonewall-1115817451?position=12&pageNum=0

They are hiring 'a director of membership operations'. Applications closed two weeks ago.

Join us our Director of Membership Operations and you’ll play a key part in securing our goal of acceptance without exception. You’ll take responsibility for our Diversity Champions programme, which advises and guides member organisations on creating LGBT inclusive workplaces and practices. The programme’s 800 members in the UK and 150 members around the world, come from all sectors, including banks, law firms, local authorities, NHS Trusts and the armed forces.

You’ll develop and implement a five-year strategy for the programme and take responsibility for operations of the programme, including finance, people, systems, policy and business development. This will enable you and the team to meet the 2018/19 target income of £2.38m, which represents around 24 per cent of Stonewall’s income for the year and helps fund our work on LGBT inclusion in the UK and globally.

Reporting to Executive Director level and with a team of 31, you’ll develop sector-specific strategies for B2B/B2C corporates, Small and Medium Enterprises and companies and organisations across other sectors. You’ll ensure the smooth running of Stonewall’s workplace programmes, including collaboration across Wales, Scotland and England, and leading our partnership to deliver the programme in Northern Ireland in partnership with The Rainbow Project Northern Ireland.

Not a charity.

A gravy train.

I didn't realise that Edward Lord was the Managing Director.

FlyingOink · 25/02/2019 17:44

I don't understand the financial theory. If Hunt was "just following orders" from the board, but those orders have led to a possible financial deficit, surely board members should be resigning?

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 17:37

No I haven't read it.

I few bits that jump out at me:
Reflecting on the year now coming to an end, 2018 has been a difficult year, particularly for trans people. They have faced a barrage of negative coverage, and we at Stonewall have made no bones about using our voice and our platform to directly confront it.

That noise suggests finances might not be amazing.

and

Ogilvy Pride targets pink pound. The division will help clients tap into the $3trillion global LGBT market.By 2020 it is estimated that in London alone the traditional mainstream majority will be outnumbered by minority groups. For a global brand campaign to be truly strategic in its communications, consideration of minority consumer audiences such as LGBT is now key.’

Its hard to make the case that its not a charity being used as a vehicle for corporate marketing, rather than grassroots activism, if you go by those comments alone.

It sounds like its framing the year as an investment rather than dealing with issues. Like you would with a business. Hence you could right off a poor set of financials in that way too.

I've said for ages its linked to this trendy idea of a 'liberal identity'

I swear if thats not extreme neo-liberalism I don't know what the fuck is.

Nothing about this is really about the 14 year old kid struggling to come out at high school. Nothing.

Its about selling shit.

Is the lesbian market as lucritive as the gay or trans one? (Don't answer that, cos I bet I know the answer).

R0wantrees · 25/02/2019 17:33

And the more than the BBC caves to these bullies, the more demands transgender individuals and groups are going to make on the BBC. Because the BBC allows itself to be pushed around.

Tunge Ogungbesan (Head of Diversity, Inclusion and Succession BBC) was a speaker at the Westminster Policy Forum, 'Next Steps for Transgender Equality'
Some with influence the BBC may be committed to the same aims.

R0wantrees · 25/02/2019 17:25

RedToothBrush have you seen this recent thread? There's quite a lot of collated information you may find interesting.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3488261-The-Financial-Juggernaut-that-is-Stonewall

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 17:25

I have a basic qualification in bookkeeping. And one in management. My degree also has 'history' in the title. Can I win a prize? Or a £60,000 a year job please?

R0wantrees · 25/02/2019 17:22

(June 29th 2018) From last year's Westminster Social Policy Forum, 'Next Steps for TRansgender Equality' thread:

Pratchet who attended wrote:
"Well they'll know it's over. Bex Stinson was asked how they got Scotland to cave so quickly and said it was because they had private conversation in private rooms with the people who provide services, not people who use them. I mean, that's how brazen and confident they were, to come out and say that and not think there's anything bad about it. That is over. Women are watching."

cf Herald article

'Schools 'forget' girls in rush to adopt pro-trans guidance campaigners claim as Christian group threatens legal action'

"THE rights of Scottish schoolgirls are being undermined by rules allowing pupils to adopt a different gender and share changing rooms, it has been claimed, as it emerged schools are unprepared for the controversial overhaul.

A series of Freedom of Information (FoI) requests have revealed that councils have widely backed guidelines produced by organisations campaigning for the rights of transgender people but have not considered how the new approach will affect children – particularly girls.

The new guidelines tell teachers that if a transgender pupil wishes to share a changing room with "other young people who share their gender identity," they should be allowed to do so.

"There is no reason for parents or carers of the other pupils to be informed," it adds.

The guidelines say young people should be able to compete in the sports events for the gender they identify with, and says if other pupils are uncomfortable using changing rooms or toilets with transgender pupils, they should use other facilities or wait until the transgender pupil is done.

However none of the councils involved, nor the children’s commissioner, nor Education Scotland have carried out an equality impact assessment to ensure the rights and wellbeing of other pupils are unaffected. This means the impact on other students has not been taken into account. (continues)

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents?pg=2

Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall
RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 17:21

The 2017 accounts reveal they had
1 employee on £60,000 to £69,999
1 employee on £70,000 to £79,999
1 employee on £80,000 to £89,999
1 employee on £90,000 to £99,999

It also states that the key management personall of the organisation increased in the year and comprises the Chief Executive, the Managing Director and two Executive Directors. The total employee benefits of key management personnel of the organisation were £311, 842 (2016: £203,651).

The 2016 figures show there was only two personall above £60,000; one person in the £80,000 band and one person in the £90,000 band

So you've got to assume that the new CEO is going to fall into this bracket above £60,000.

Why have they suddenly needed to take on so many key personell in corporate jobs in the last 3 years?

Hmm
R0wantrees · 25/02/2019 17:11

BBC has demonstrated profound levels of bias towards TRA and in support of trans ideology.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

Melroses · 25/02/2019 17:08

Totally against their own guidelines www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/fairness/refusals-to-take-part

Popchyk · 25/02/2019 17:03

Why the hell do the BBC indulge this idiocy?

Stonewall won't share a platform with anyone who believes that ID may have implications for women. Therefore, rather than telling Stonewall to fuck off right off, the BBC facilitates pre-recorded segments that allow Stonewall's message to be broadcast unchallenged.

Same with the McKinnon and Fair Play for Women story on the Stephen Nolan show. McKinnon refused to debate so Nic Williams was kicked off the panel.

And the more than the BBC caves to these bullies, the more demands transgender individuals and groups are going to make on the BBC. Because the BBC allows itself to be pushed around.

BBC is a disgrace. Truly.

R0wantrees · 25/02/2019 17:00

("Stonewall withdraws representatives from panels that include people who disagree with its stance on self-identification".*

As Melroses says, Bex Stinson (Stonewall Head of Trans Inclusion) refused to be in the Woman's Hour studio with Jane Garvey and Helen Lewis for the first of the 'Sex & Gender' programs:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3428918-Womans-Hour-Tues-20-11-18-Why-is-the-current-debate-about-sex-and-gender-so-often-called-toxic-we-hear-from-Bex-Stinson-and-helenlewis

Bex Stinson 'Peak Transed' my Dad who was listening and utterly baffled by Stinson's decision and comments

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/02/2019 16:56

What the hell is a degree in Creatibe Studies?

On the upside, after reading this thread, my arts degree is looking positively high brow.

Melroses · 25/02/2019 16:54

It was certainly their policy when Bex was on Womans Hour.

samsamsamsamsamsam · 25/02/2019 16:52

its gonna be that bearded lady.

TimeLady · 25/02/2019 16:52

They appointed a COE last year in addition to the Chief Exec. That won't have come cheap.

Helen Moulinos is the Chief Operating Officer of Stonewall. Helen joined Stonewall in July 2018, having worked in the Charity Sector for Age UK, Alzheimer’s Society and The Children’s Society and the private sector for Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Lloyds Banking Group and HSBC in Investment Banking focused on Mergers and Acquisitions and Outsourcing previously.

Since joining Stonewall, she grown and diversified our Fundraising and Grants activities, negotiated new commercial partnerships and restructured our approach to due diligence, streamlined internal Operations and broadened our relationships with Corporate and Civil Society collaborators and partners. Helen is responsible for leading our Development Council and Ambassador activities and growing and deepening these relationships with our supporters. Helen also stewards our finances and manages the day-to-day operation of Stonewall.

Helen has always been an active human rights advocate, believing in the power of an individual’s diversity. Building a fully inclusive Charity is at the top of her strategic priorities making sure Stonewall practices reflect and respect the rights her activist workforce champion every day.

Helen holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in Creative Studies from Hofstra University and Masters of Science degree in Finance from Baruch City University of New York. For 28 years, Helen has actively campaigned for Sexual Health and Mental Health reform in New York and London and is an active Civil Society Board Trustee and Volunteer.

www.stonewall.org.uk/people/helen-moulinos

Popchyk · 25/02/2019 16:50

From The Times article:

"Stonewall withdraws representatives from panels that include people who disagree with its stance on self-identification".

I wasn't aware that this was an official policy of theirs.

But slanging matches on Twitter are fine, apparently.

Wholly unprofessional on both fronts.