Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

Sorry R0, missed your post.

Excellent article by feminist campaigner Jo Bartosch in Spiked:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/01/23/why-did-trans-women-lead-the-womens-march/amp/?twitterrimpression=true&fbclid=IwAR2NSQehYvmebntQY9TI7nmmxkZvO-ugccv1UiqvFGzvhiMXuJXUHL4jfI

Julie Bindel Telegraph: 'Not all menstruators are women? This madness has to stop'
concludes:
"A tweet by Women’s March London, the annual protest that took place last weekend, claims that: “As a trans inclusive and intersectional group we try to use inclusive language when talking about issues of biology. This guide from @PeriodPositive explains why we chose to use the word ‘menstruator’… about the tampon tax.”

A flowchart (guffaw) from the ‘Queeriods Campaign’ by the Centre for Sexual Pleasure and Health (CSPH), says that its aim is to educate people on, ‘How to include menstruators of all genders’.

According to campaign group Period Positive, “Not all women menstruate, and not all menstruators are women”. It sounds like a woke parody from Private Eye, but unfortunately it is only too real.

The transgender extremists and their supporters peddle some barmy views: that men can get pregnant, for example, and that boys can get periods. We women are told to use certain terms to describe our bodies, such as ”chest feeding”, and ”front hole”, so as not to exclude or offend transgender people.

There is even a view that transgender women (biological men) should be able to breastfeed babies, and a call to refer to pregnant women as “pregnant people”.

Women’s hard-won rights are being eroded by sexist men telling us they understand what it is to be women - and a number of young feminists are swallowing it.

As someone who has long been a target of vicious bullying from the trans lobby, I understand only too well why some young feminists are too scared to challenge this Orwellian madness.

I stand firm in my view that the extreme end of transgender ideology is pure misogyny, promoted for the benefit of men. And I have been accused of ‘hate crime’, 'bigotry' and no-platformed from a number of universities and other public venues by the blue-fringed student brigade.

At the same time, I receive emails and private messages every week from female students and other young women, telling me that they agree with me.

These young women need our help. Women is not an offensive term. We should NEVER be reduced to a bodily function.

Men do not get periods, and neither do trans women. Shouldn’t this be bleeding obvious?"

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/not-menstruators-women-madness-has-stop/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3486548-Not-all-menstruators-are-women-This-madness-has-to-stop-Julie-Bindel

Jo Bartosch (see Critical Sisters ) article in Spiked:

'Why did trans women lead the Women’s March?
It would be like Rachel Dolezal addressing a Black Lives Matter rally.'

"If the ‘transracial’ Rachel Dolezal were to give a keynote speech at a Black Lives Matter event there would rightly be an outcry. And yet this year the ‘Women’s March’ in London was fronted by someone who has identified as a woman for less time than I’ve had the shoes I’m wearing. Munroe Bergdorf is a transgender model who was chosen to speak by the London chapter of the global Women’s March. In a baffling address Bergdorf offered insights into Brexit, austerity and womanhood. The crowd cheered as Bergdorf explained that laws preventing brothel-keeping were bad for women and that the British media is transphobic. There was an irony in Bergdorf’s amplified and male-sounding voice proclaiming that ‘all women must have a voice’.

Like many longstanding feminist campaigners, I didn’t attend the Women’s March this year. A friend, who asked to remain anonymous, did lend her support to the march in Manchester. She explained how she felt hearing a trans woman on the stage at the Manchester march stating that ‘trans women are women’:

‘These empty statements might raise a cheer from the hard of thinking. But anyone with the smallest understanding of feminism knows that trans women are male, and their interests are different from those of women. As a rape survivor, and as someone who has worked in the women’s sector for years, I want someone on that stage who will support the right of women like me to have space away from men, regardless of how they identify. In their efforts to be inclusive organisers, they are excluding women who do not toe the current politically correct line. The “Women’s March” is a misnomer, it isn’t for women like me.’

This experience underlines something important. One of the most insidious battles women face is against the social pressure to be ‘nice’. We police each other and are judged far more harshly if we put ourselves and our interests first. It is clear that the organisers of the Women’s March have broken under this burden. They have published an incoherent list of ‘Values and Principles’ comprised of 1,479 inclusive-sounding words that mean nothing. Far from being about the liberation of women from patriarchy, it seems the Women’s March wants to tackle everything from the economy to police brutality. As it has long been noted, women are the only group who are not allowed to centre themselves in their own liberation.

To be fair, Bergdorf must be something of an expert in womanhood by now. Last year, the 31-year-old was also invited as the keynote speaker at the ‘Woman With A Camera’ event at the British Film Institute, despite not having any directing or producer credits. Bergdorf is following in the footsteps of other transgender activists who have represented women at women’s events. A growing list of recent examples include Shon Faye hosting the Women Making History event at Amnesty International UK; Paris Lees winning the Words by Women journalism prize, before appearing on the cover of Vogue as one of the ‘New Suffragettes’; and Rachel McKinnon winning in the world of women’s cycling. It seems trans women make much better and more inclusive representatives of women than boring old vagina-havers."

www.spiked-online.com/2019/01/23/why-did-trans-women-lead-the-womens-march/

See also Jo Bartosch's previous article December 2018
'Transgenderism: a fetish that got out of hand?
Some trans women get a kick out of cross-dressing.'
www.spiked-online.com/2018/12/10/transgenderism-a-fetish-that-got-out-of-hand/

there was a thread discussing this but it was deleted. Just as with the thread discussing Sue Dionym's article about the need to raise awareness and discuss autogynaephilia especially within LGBT+ communities:
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

Sophie Walker's statement today on her decision to stand down from WEP leadership
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3486138-Sophie-Walker-stands-down-as-leader-of-WEP

Human males who claim that they are women, these people are attracted to women's shelters and women only spaces in the same way that pedophiles are drawn to the Catholic priesthood

They are predators drawn towards prey

Re Munroe's 'theory'... I've got a theory Munroe doesn't have the faintest idea how women feel about being called 'cis'.

In Munroe's world you can only have no gender identity if you pinky swear that most other people have binary gender identities. Non-binary/gender queer/two spirit inside the tent. Gender critical outside the tent.

"That's wind, love. Eat some bran flakes."

Deep

I'm all for tit for tat. Saw yet another comment on that twitter thread about how TW do indeed menstruate because they have cramps.

Almost as if this movement that wants to refer to women by their bodily functions has no idea about how woman's bodily functions (ie, female biology) works....

No, KindOfAGeek, the qualifier ‚former‘ is clearly unnecessary, when you talk about ejaculators. Remember that womensmarch london did not use such a qualifier for women who were probably menopausal. So, ejaculator works just fine for individuals formerly (before words lost their meanings that is) known as males.

If I'm a former menustrator, Munroe is either an ejaculator or a former ejacualator. Let's see how that goes.

Re Munroe's 'theory'... I've got a theory Munroe doesn't have the faintest idea how women feel about being called 'cis'

Re Munroe's 'theory'... I've got a theory Munroe doesn't have the faintest idea how women feel about being called 'cis'.

The organisers of London Women's March might take more seriously their responsibility for their choice of speaker and 'leader'.

Article 'Rape Survivors are Transphobic Terfs.
So Are Lesbians, Vaginas, Women’s sports, and well literally everything female.'

by Olivia Broustra

I want you to imagine being a female rape survivor.
You go to a crisis shelter to recover.
You walk into your bedroom and shared spaces and are met with a male body, deep masculine voice, still functioning penis.
You express concerns because well, this is a women’s shelter. Made for women who have experienced violence at the hands of males.
You get called bigot and forced to leave.
That’s what is happening to women now.
Some have even experienced assault by these males in women’s shelters." (continues)

archive.fo/wiqHs#selection-213.0-237.70

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3485679-Olivia-Broustra-Rape-Survivors-are-Transphobic-Terfs

Oh Munroe. How nice of you to force gender on us and insist that you are not 'oppressioning' us.

current thread, OP Bittermints wrote:
'The cumulative effect is pretty strong. Must have been put together today or last night, as it includes Munroe Bergdorf addressing the women's march and the foot-in-mouth tweet from the women's march about menstruators.'

angrybirdroar.wordpress.com/2019/01/21/say-what-you-see/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3485780-Angry-Birds-blog-post-all-visual

Maria Maclachlan article,
'Blog: The Handmaidens’ Tales'
(extract)
"This is the post in which I express my anger against those young women who’ve betrayed the goal of women’s liberation by promoting male entitlement and female erasure. And, no, contrary to what certain trans rights activists (TRAs) such as Stephen Whittle say, the term ‘handmaidens’ isn’t misogynist. Misogyny refers to contempt and disregard for women because they are women, i.e. adult human female. It doesn’t include the disdain we feel for women who are selling us down the river, the women who prioritise the feelings of men over the psychological well-being and the physical safety of women. The true meaning of ‘handmaiden’ is female servant and that, in effect, is what these women are. They’re like ‘Uncle Toms’.

I don’t expect to have to elaborate on the fact that women have, throughout history and across cultures, been oppressed and exploited because we are female and ‘female’ refers to the sex whose role in reproduction is to produce ova, gestate and give birth. The fact that an individual female chooses not to or may, for medically verifiable reasons, be unable to fulfil that function, does not alter the fact that she is female though, thanks to the patriarchal norms holding sway in most cultures throughout the world, it may mean that she is considered a failure by those who feel entitled to adjudicate on such matters.

Feminism is a movement for women – all women – but only women. This isn’t to deny intersecting experiences of oppression such as class oppression, racism, ageism, homophobia, disability. But it does not include men who think, wish, decide or claim they are women. Men who do that are not members of the female sex class, therefore they are not women, regardless of how they feel, present themselves or what they call themselves." (continues)

concludes:
"I can’t improve on the comment made by the heroic Helen Steel at the top of this post.

The handmaidens unquestioning acceptance of men who want to redefine what it means to be a woman cannot be reconciled with feminism in any shape or form. In promoting the idea that refusal to pander to men’s claims that they can be women is “lack of decency”, “bad grace”, “twisted” – even harassment or violence – they have helped to cultivate an environment in which actual violence against women is seen as justified.

Handmaidens, you are betraying the struggles waged by generations of feminists against men who use violence and abuse to keep women in their place.

Shame on you."
Published 31.12.18

www.peaktrans.org/the-handmaidens-tales/

A kind and honest conversation, eh? It's not honest if people aren't allowed to say that they know that women don't have cocks, and I'm guessing any woman pointing that out would not be treated kindly at all.

Someone’s got to keep those pesky women in their place.

MB’s misogyny drips from every word - and yet someone thought MB was a suitable speaker to have at a so-called Women’s March...

if female humans (women) are menstruaters then it follows that male humans who believe themselves to be woman must ejaculators

Speaking of foolish (from standard online - sorry can’t do links)

Martina Big on This Morning: Holly Willoughby in shock as white couple who identify as black claim they will have a black child

The German couple sparked outrage with comments on their unconceived child's appearance

Holly Willoughby was left stunned by a white couple who identify as black after they claimed a doctor told them they will have a black child.

Martina Big, 30, has radically altered her appearance with tanning injections to become a black woman, saying she now "100 per cent identifies" as one.

The former glamour model, who was once a peroxide blonde white woman, made an appearance on Monday's show with her
new husband Michael Eurwen.

Willoughby questioned the couple on having children, asking: "Doctors have told you that you baby will be be black?"

The tanning obsessive replied: "They will be black. We are not having plans, but I am discussing with my doctor to see if my body is okay, will I be able to breastfeed, what the baby will look like."

Asked what would happen if they had a white child, Martina insisted she would love her child even if the infant was "milk chocolate" leaving Willoughby stunned.
"It's a mix of Michael and me," she said. "I'm pretty sure it will be black or milk chocolate or a little bit lighter, it doesn't matter."

Willoughby hastily wrapped up the interview as viewers slammed the "disgusting" comment.

One wrote: "#ThisMorning so because she's had skin darkening injections she thinks she will have black babies?! Did I hear her say she doesn't mind if the child is 'milk chocolate'?! OMG!!!"

Another raged: "#ThisMorning woah woah did she actually just say 'If it's milk chocolate' oh holy f*.

A third wrote: "I'm sorry, but no amount of cosmetic changes will affect your genetics. If you were born white, your children will be white. I think Martina needs to find a new doctor. #ThisMorning."

Speaking about her transformation, Martina told the show: "It's really hard to find the right words to explain to people. The injections started the process. In February I was in Kenya to learn more about the culture and I was there for seven years

She claimed she took a new form of melatonin injections to tan her skin, but was unaware it would work so well.

Her husband Michael, 31, has also had injections but they have not had the same effect as his wife.

he he he

they've made themselves look proper fools

of course people tar all feminists with the same brush, so I'd really rather that Women's March showed some actual respect towards women that would be super

Daily Mail, 'Fury as organisers of the London's Women's March call female politicians including Margaret Thatcher and Barbara Castle 'menstruators' on Twitter in a bid to be inclusive to transgender participants'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6614821/Womens-March-refers-female-MPs-menstruators-Twitter.html