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Mumsnet FWR Guide to De-Programming Yourself From Self-Harming Kindness

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arranfan · 02/11/2018 10:19

Vipers - start writing.

I'm more convinced than ever that we need A Mumsnet FWR Guide to De-Programming Yourself From Self-Harming Kindness

Helen Saxby says, Women are socialised to be kind so it makes it difficult for us when standing up for our rights is painted as being 'unkind'. We should just feel 'entitled' instead, like men do

I think it goes beyond that to the point where we self-harm or we're implicitly being coerced into causing harm to other women.

De-programming suggestions?

OP posts:
Badgerthebodger · 02/11/2018 10:41

I’ve stopped moving out of the way for men. Fuck it. Why should I? Double points because I have a walking stick so really shouldn’t have to be scuttling out of some entitles bastard’s way.

LangCleg · 02/11/2018 10:41

I think women-only spaces and conversations are the best way for individual women to find their individual voices.

Badgerthebodger · 02/11/2018 10:40

MickHucknall Flowers that sounds incredibly tough. I hope you’re looking after yourself.

littlbrowndog · 02/11/2018 10:40

I think one of most important things I learned is not to start a point I want to get over withe words “ sorry but “

LangCleg · 02/11/2018 10:37

I agree. I've seen this referred to elsewhere as pathological altruism.

Unsure how best to go about de-programming.

TheChampagneGalop · 02/11/2018 10:33

Great thread idea.

MickHucknallspinkpancakes · 02/11/2018 10:31

Oh sorry I don't have any huge life changing suggestions but by god I'm here to learn some.

After a divorce at a cost of £30000 to me, and losing half my furniture I went into another relationship like a f*ckwad,

Even though I took it slowly he moved in after 3 years and after a year of sulking and moods announced that he was walking out in 14 days. I lost my job last week and my health is shot to pieces and now I have to give three months notice on an expensive house, find a place, and cover his half of the rent for the next 4 months minimum.

When I started packing his stuff the day after he announced his plan to scuttle off like a cockroach with no responsibility, he got angry with me and I was like a mad bitch apparently. I should just let him make a dignified exit I guess. 😒

So after 4 years of kindness, thoughtful gifts, a car, support, accepting him for him, being a listening ear, I am now just a mad bitch.

Give me strength please. Sorry for the rant. I can't do this again. I won't do this again.

On the plus side - I've started to see that entitlement behaviour in little ways from my son. Mainly after being with his dad. Just little things like me buying a cake for myself and him expecting I'll just give it to him if he asks.

I always respond with "why are your feelings or wants more important than mine?"

There generally isn't a suitable retort to that.

But my DS is a sweetie, learning how to respect women, and not an aggressive gaslighting moody git.

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