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Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown

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R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 09:40

article by Lucy Bannerman
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"A victim of domestic abuse was removed as a judge of a radical thinking prize and “hounded” out of her role within the Liberal Democrats for saying that she did not believe that men who identified as women should have access to women’s refuges.

Natalie Bird, 38, a mother of two who fled an abusive former partner, was accused of “dangerous transphobia” by transgender activists in the party. She had said that opening up safe spaces without proper safeguards to anyone who said that they were female could put women at risk.

She opposed segregating women’s refuges by chosen gender instead of biological sex, and said that it was not fair to make female victims of domestic violence, abuse and rape share services with people with “functioning” male anatomy.

After being allegedly bullied on social media by party activists, Ms Bird was brought before a disciplinary hearing to face a complaint in the name of Zoe O’Connell, on behalf of the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats. The correspondence says that Ms Bird had “expressed troublesome views”.

The hearing found no evidence to support the complaint of transphobia, but Ms Bird lost her position as chairwoman of the Radical Association, made up of party members, following a vote of no confidence. This cost her her role as a judge of the Ashdown Prize for Radical Thought; an ironic move, Ms Bird said, given that the prize’s aim was to reward “big, bold, radical” solutions to society’s most “daunting problems . . . no one has the courage to argue for” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-b6dx39tv3

Hopefully many LibDem Members will stand in support of Natalie Bird.

O'Connell and Brown make a mockery of the LibDem priciples and their bullying abusive behaviour has been allowed to run unchecked within the party.

The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives.

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HumphreyCobblers · 19/10/2018 10:45

Goodness, AnnoyedAlly, have you nothing to say about how your good friends have behaved?

I would questioned a friendship with people who seemingly have no idea how decent people behave in a democratic society.

Excellent article by Lucy Bannerman.

BreakWindandFire · 19/10/2018 10:39

I couldn't leave a thread with my friends names in it unchallenged.

OK. Are you going to challenge the Times article then? Did your friends harass someone who disagreed with them about women's safety issues, and then one of them lied about being the person who had made the complaint, or not?

R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 10:39

Sarah Brown 's reaction to Kristina Harrisson, a transwoman.

Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown
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R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 10:36

I am astounded by the hate I read here for two people I am proud to call friends. Zoe & Sarah are decent hard working people, representing their local area as political activists and standing up for a fair, open and tolerant society

There is nothing fair, open or tolerant about the way Natalie Bird has been treated by your friends.

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borntobequiet · 19/10/2018 10:30

I ceased my membership many months ago. However I keep getting emails to which I reply giving my reasons for resigning and stating that I will neither vote for, fundraiser for or support the LDs in any way until they uphold women’s rights. Also take me off their mailing lists. Never a blind bit of notice. Next time I’ll quote GDPR at them.

AnnoyedAlly · 19/10/2018 10:29

I am astounded by the hate I read here for two people I am proud to call friends. Zoe & Sarah are decent hard working people, representing their local area as political activists and standing up for a fair, open and tolerant society. Whilst I expect this will draw the full weight of your wrath on me, I couldn't leave a thread with my friends names in it unchallenged.

BreakWindandFire · 19/10/2018 10:00

Coward and a liar as well

Ms O’Connell denied all knowledge of the case and that she was the complainant. When asked if there was another Zoe O’Connell, she did not respond. Grin

R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 09:58

Zoe O'Connell's 'bullying behaviour' called out by Andrew Gilligan earlier this year:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3263172-Andrew-Gilligan-Latest-bullying-transgender-complaint-swiftly-rejected-by-parliamentary-standards-committee

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R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 09:56

Sarah Brown has demonstrated a clear agenda from the beginning of her osition as Cambridge City Council when she deliberately modified the implementation of the Equality Act sex based protections.

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327625-venice-allen-speaks-to-anne-sinnott

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3376567-anne-sinnott-vindicated-she-was-right

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3322389-labour-councillor-quits-in-row-over-facilities-for-trans-people-the-times

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330494-Cambridge-councillor-resigns-from-post-and-leaves-Labour-Party-over-betrayal-of-women-read-her-letter-here

As well as being prominant in the LibDems, Sarah Brown is a key figure in Stonewall's powerful trans-advisory group.

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BreakWindandFire · 19/10/2018 09:54

Fat chance of the Lib Dem leadership doing anything.

See here from yesterday, which is basically the Lib Dem leadership telling women to shut up.

UpstartCrow · 19/10/2018 09:52

When you are hounding survivors of abuse, your moral compass is so broken you can't tell you are one of the abusers.

This shows perfectly why the 'case by case' single sex exemptions don't work.

arranfan · 19/10/2018 09:47

How on earth do these people differentiate between themselves and the people in history who ran purity purges from political parties?

How certain in your own moral compass do you have to be to make such accusations against Bird and follow through with this level of victimisation?