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Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown

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R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 09:40

article by Lucy Bannerman
(extract)
"A victim of domestic abuse was removed as a judge of a radical thinking prize and “hounded” out of her role within the Liberal Democrats for saying that she did not believe that men who identified as women should have access to women’s refuges.

Natalie Bird, 38, a mother of two who fled an abusive former partner, was accused of “dangerous transphobia” by transgender activists in the party. She had said that opening up safe spaces without proper safeguards to anyone who said that they were female could put women at risk.

She opposed segregating women’s refuges by chosen gender instead of biological sex, and said that it was not fair to make female victims of domestic violence, abuse and rape share services with people with “functioning” male anatomy.

After being allegedly bullied on social media by party activists, Ms Bird was brought before a disciplinary hearing to face a complaint in the name of Zoe O’Connell, on behalf of the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats. The correspondence says that Ms Bird had “expressed troublesome views”.

The hearing found no evidence to support the complaint of transphobia, but Ms Bird lost her position as chairwoman of the Radical Association, made up of party members, following a vote of no confidence. This cost her her role as a judge of the Ashdown Prize for Radical Thought; an ironic move, Ms Bird said, given that the prize’s aim was to reward “big, bold, radical” solutions to society’s most “daunting problems . . . no one has the courage to argue for” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-b6dx39tv3

Hopefully many LibDem Members will stand in support of Natalie Bird.

O'Connell and Brown make a mockery of the LibDem priciples and their bullying abusive behaviour has been allowed to run unchecked within the party.

The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives.

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AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 15:26

The other thing I don't understand is how can they talk like this about their own body?

This is the thing. If anybody else spoke of trans bodies in such disgusting terms they’d be hounded for ‘transphobia’.

FekkoTheLawyer · 19/10/2018 15:26

I think I saw this on twitter. I believe the hounder was referred to as 'a bit of a shit'

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 15:25

If you are a ‘lesbian’ who is put off by the thought of vaginas you are probably doing to wrong

OlennasWimple · 19/10/2018 15:24

All 'girls' together. Bet they do pamper days and everything

Pampers days more like, if the lovely AC is involved...

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 15:24

This is the most hilarous bit about the whole Times article:

A Lib Dem spokesman said that it “encouraged wide debate within the party, and was proud that we can have sensible debates with a wide range of views”.

Was the spokesman one of their mates?

GenderApostate · 19/10/2018 15:17

Vile, Vile people - they really hate Women.
It must be infuriating for them to see Women who are on to them and even MORE infuriating for them to know that 99.9% of people will never see them as Women , because they are not, their dicks are showing (even if inverted and requiring regular dilation) .
Four political parties in thrall to misogynists.

FatherBuzzCagney · 19/10/2018 15:11

I'm sorry, WTF? The individual who wrote this then stood as an MP for the Lib Dems? What the fuck is wrong with these parties.

No, not even a party as full of incompetents and wierdos as the Cambridge Lib Dem party has historically been is nuts enough to select Brown as a parliamentary candidate. Brown was a local councillor, unluckily for the residents of Petersfield ward in Cambridge.

LorettasBox · 19/10/2018 15:08

Got to love the selfless nature of deep friendship that means you will proudly defend odious bullies who hound abuse victims because they disagree with her. That's womaning right, you bigots!

KatVonGulag · 19/10/2018 14:58

Disgraceful bullies like Brown have caused so many problems. Social media amplifies them.

Sad

JoanSummers · 19/10/2018 14:42

I'm sorry, WTF? The individual who wrote this then stood as an MP for the Lib Dems? What the fuck is wrong with these parties.

Can you imagine a woman having written any of that then being put forward as a candidate by the LibDems?

The LibDems don't believe Brown is a woman, they would not associate themselves with a woman who behaved like that.

JoanSummers · 19/10/2018 14:38

lesbians have protested at events where Brown was a speaker

Should have read.

JoanSummers · 19/10/2018 14:36

Julie B was definitely 'bothered' about it. Lesbians have protested at events where Brown because of Brown's comments.

The LibDems continuing to support and platform Sarah Brown is a huge flashing neon red flag that the LibDems are utterly comfortable with misogyny and have no respect or space for lesbians.

It is terrible what they have done specifically to Natalie Bird, but all woman involved with the LibDems should be aware this is not an isolated incident, just the latest of demonstrations by the LibDems that they are hostile to women and have no intention of listening to us or representing us.

FatherBuzzCagney · 19/10/2018 14:35

AnnoyedAlly, Zoe O'C I don't know so much about, but I lived in Petersfield ward when Sarah Brown was a councillor and the greatest contribution Sarah "I couldn't be bothered to read the CB1 planning proposal I just voted through bits of" Brown made to the local community was losing the 2014 election. If you can't be arsed to take the role seriously, then leave it to someone who can. And the hysterical lying about transphobic hate literature in the ward before the recent by-election demonstrated yet again exactly why Brown is completely unsuitable for any elected office - I know everyone expect the Lib Dems to stretch the truth at election time, but even so that must have been awkward for the rest of the ward party. Still, we all know that no-one else is ever going to get a shot at the party nomination for Petersfield as long as Brown remains un-re-elected, not least because you can bet Brown's formaldehyde pickled balls that if anyone proposed an alternative candidate Brown would start yelling about transphobia until they changed their minds.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:34

The Greens, Stonewall and the Lib Dems ALL have the same problem. Exactly the same.

Labour have a similar problem but it manifests in a different way and is wider in its scope and is on several different issues.

The Conservatives have a different problem again, but its to do with the same thing and increased centralisation of power.

Its about the weakness of a connection to proper grassroots and the actual voting public outside the political party framework. And abuse of power.

TwistedStitch · 19/10/2018 14:30

After a particularly vigorous masturbation session with my favourite vibrator, I dislodged quite a lot of bindel

I'm sorry, WTF? The individual who wrote this then stood as an MP for the Lib Dems? What the fuck is wrong with these parties.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/10/2018 14:24

How on earth do these parties expect voters to take them seriously? Behave with a bit of dignity fgs!

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:17

How the Hell can the LibDems justify that? ?

They can't.

Its the Greens all over again.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:15

I think Luke wants us to advertise just how proud he is of what happened to Natalie

Seeing as you asked so nicely.

Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown
IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 19/10/2018 14:11

Quite honestly I don't care about them being gross about their own bodies that's up to them. And I'm sure Julie B is not remotely bothered either.
What shocks me is that (it looks like) several men were allowed to bully and harass a women in the Liberal Democrats. A woman who expressed concern, as a victim of domestic violence, about the safety of women and children in refuges.
How the Hell can the LibDems justify that? ?

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:11

I'm a nobody. Like really.

Honestly, this is just like the gaming community spats I've seen before. EXACTLY.

Its gamergate. Really it is.

Luke you must have thought I was born yesterday.

R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 14:07

Why is only one of the people named as "used to be a man"?

Sarah Brown has been vocal about her GRC and that this makes her both a woman and female.

She is very insistant about the medical reality of her female biology.

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Datun · 19/10/2018 14:05

After a particularly vigorous masturbation session with my favourite vibrator, I dislodged quite a lot of bindel."

The other thing I don't understand is how can they talk like this about their own body?

The self hatred is obvious.

Unfortunately for Brown, every time I think of them, I think of those words. So does everyone else. The name Sarah Brown comes up, that quote follows it.

I can't imagine anyone, ever, aligning themselves to somebody who speaks this way.

QuietContraryMary · 19/10/2018 14:03

Still in Google cache: <a class="break-all" href="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:u9V8L86Udg0J:twitter.com/LGBTLD/statuses/1042550386563809280+" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:u9V8L86Udg0J:twitter.com/LGBTLD/statuses/1042550386563809280+

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:01

Interesting.

I hope Lucy Bannerman is reading this thread.

QuietContraryMary · 19/10/2018 14:00

yeah Luke linked to one of your previous posts a few months ago. He's a proper prick