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We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside

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TheHarpySings · 18/10/2018 20:28

Hi all

First off, I’m a regular poster, have been here for years under various usernames, it I’m posting here on a name change as I don’t want this traced to me.

On 8th September there was a conference held in London a Bloomsbury Baptist Church which was called We’re Still Here, which featured a variety of panels and workshops and was attended by many prominent people in the pro-GRA reform camp.

I decided to attend to find out what was being said as it was clear that they did not want anyone to attend that wasn’t a TRA or an ally.

What follows are my notes from the day. But first a few notes on attendance:

There were probably 80-100 people in attendance. Overwhelmingly white. Mainly older transwomen. A couple of transmen. Some Mermaids delegates. Some fellow travellers/ allies. And me.

Okay. So here’s my notes

  1. Health Panel: Chair was Dr Ben Vincent of GIRES.

Part of the discussion on this panel was around GPs reluctance to prescribe “bridging hormones”. GPs are reluctant/afraid to prescribe them for liability reasons. Apparently a brand of T-Gel was withdrawn and GPs are reluctant to switch brands.

There was then a bit of chatter about whether a person’s sex was relevant for healthcare stats.

Then there was discussion about trans children. Dr Vincent was very scathing about GIDS-said there was disgusting and unethical practices. BV spoke about dispelling the myths about desistance and the myths of ROGD- BV called this “concern trolling, malicious and ethically bankrupt”. BV would like a review of the whole system.

Then Dr Vincent said that they’d received a review copy of “Born in your own body” edited by Heather Brunskell-Evans and Michele Moore. BV is reviewing it for some Royal College and said “I will tear it a new arsehole”

Also (and they didn't want this tweeted) BV is also planning a book called Terf Wars which will be a “rigorous takedown of terf arguments” which is getting serialised as articled in some peer reviewed journal- I’m sorry but I couldn’t catch which one.

Dr Stuart Lorimer, of the Tavistock and Portman who was also a panellist- said that ROGD is “evidence free”.

There was a great deal of discussion as to the health risks for transwomen taking certain brands of hormones- one person said they knew three other people who’d died taking them, and they’d nearly died as well.

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GiantKitten · 19/10/2018 12:25

I’m very appreciative of your efforts on our behalf, @TheHarpySings, but also very worried for you.

Was it ticketed? Pre-booked? With only 80-100 people there might they be able to identify you?

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TheHarpySings · 19/10/2018 12:24

CuriousaboutSamphire

I honestly WISH I was trolling. I know this doesn’t count for much as I need to remain anonymous for my safety and that of my family, but I swear that everything I have written is absolutely true. There are regular posters on here who have been privy to this information before now and can verify that I’m for real.

I went to that conference hoping to be proved that I am a bigot who has been living in a transphobic echo chamber. Instead all my worst fears were confirmed.

It is scandalous that people who want to drive a train through safeguarding have been allowed such influence over policy.

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KittyKlawsReturns · 19/10/2018 12:18

I'm very grateful to you TheHarpySings for attending this and reporting back although it has made me feel quite upset to read some of it. Far from feeling like the trans lobby are more harmless than GC people think - this has reinforced for me how dangerous they are and how little they give a shit about women and children. What is worse are the 'lip service' tactics they are employing to make it seem like they do. So very disingenuous of them.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 19/10/2018 12:13

Jesus H. Christ

I logged in on my bloody work phone to respond to this. I thought the OP was a pack of lies, an elaborate GC nightmare, a precis of recent events, a troll, in need of a Public Announcement, a sham, a parody, an evil all of its own.

Then I realised that it is equally likely to be nothing but the bloody truth.

Gaaargh!

And thanks, OP. I hope some journo picks it up and runs with it... Where's the Fail when you need it??

BeetrootBonanza · 19/10/2018 11:54

Thank you Harpy for your strength in attending this and reporting back.
Shedding some much needed light on the self interest and entirely unconcerned attitudes to the vulnerability and risk to women and children reveals the agendas behind this.

jgrobinson · 19/10/2018 11:50

So, not gaming the system at all, then?

I have some sympathy for Rees who ploughed a lonely furrow; this was the 1980s IIRC. As far as I can tell Rees didn't find a long-term romantic relationship. A lonely figure.

(This is from the volume Trans Britain, ed. Christine Burns.)

Ereshkigal · 19/10/2018 11:45

Dawn Butler is a joke. Oh no sorry, I meant to say "Dawn Butler is woke". So very woke indeed.

Datun · 19/10/2018 11:31

harpy. So well done to you. That must have been exhausting and distressing.

Rank misogynists who bully women off Twitter and are being looked at by their superiors. Middle-aged transitioning men who are lifelong proponents of extreme pornography and have campaigned to lower the age of the participants. Bullies who persecute women through the courts.

And the almost criminally self evident agendas.

I'm so glad this is now in the public domain.

What a shower.

Isca18 · 19/10/2018 11:20

Thank you so much.

Mumfun · 19/10/2018 11:15

We need an investigation into Dawn Butler!

Ereshkigal · 19/10/2018 11:14

When the GRA 2004 was finally passed, Rees did not apply for a GRC as "he" wanted to retire at the female pension age.

Cake. Eat it.

Getoffthetableplease · 19/10/2018 11:12

I desperately wish all the no doubt well meaning, albeit brainwashed masses backing this scary shit would realise what a nasty twisted web it really is. Thank you for going, and for this.

Melamin · 19/10/2018 11:06

This is shocking but not surprising. Thank you to the OP who managed to make it through the day...it must have been pure hell to contain herself with all the rubbish and dangerous implications. Women's groups take note. You are being infiltrated. Don't let them do this

^^
This

Every space on the school governors, parish council and all the other committee things we are supposed to do but do not have the time for is an opportunity waiting to be filled by people who push their own agenda.

Interesting window on their casual dismissal of all others but themselves and planned virtue signalling.

StroppyWoman · 19/10/2018 11:00

Jesus. I feel sick.

R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 10:58

Dawn Butler is a disgrace, isn't she? What an appalling person to be representing the interests of women in the Labour Party.

Private Eye this week have revealed further details of this.

hackmum · 19/10/2018 10:54

Dawn Butler is a disgrace, isn't she? What an appalling person to be representing the interests of women in the Labour Party.

As for the rest of it, well, it is, as others have pointed out, a very small group of people with extremist views who are hellbent on infiltrating mainstream organisations. It's very like the Militant Tendency and other Trotskyist groups that use infiltration as their main tactic for gaining power and influence.

breastfeedingclownfish · 19/10/2018 10:35

Fucking hell

Angryresister · 19/10/2018 10:20

This is shocking but not surprising. Thank you to the OP who managed to make it through the day...it must have been pure hell to contain herself with all the rubbish and dangerous implications. Women's groups take note. You are being infiltrated. Don't let them do this.

thecraftyfox · 19/10/2018 09:52

We baby our children because we don't have child soldiers on the frontline, dear God. We don't send them up chimneys or down the pits any more either.

But the likes of CB are happy to use them as cannon fodder, never mind the cost to the children, in order to try to control the narrative and sell the like that men can become women and that it's ok to create lifelong medical patients out of young kids.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 19/10/2018 09:38

jgrobinson

So, not gaming the system at all, then?

LangCleg · 19/10/2018 09:37

There is our next point of call. Our GPs. Anyone with a good GP. These could be new allies

My GP practice has filled out the consultation - very worried about being asked to share care for youth (ie provide prescriptions) with cowboys like Helen Webberly.

jgrobinson · 19/10/2018 09:29

Very insightful. Well done!

Mark Rees (not Reece) was the pioneering litigant at Strasbourg.

When the GRA 2004 was finally passed, Rees did not apply for a GRC as "he" wanted to retire at the female pension age.

lunarain · 19/10/2018 09:28

This needs be be condensed into some kind of blog and then circulated en masse to things like womens orgs to warn them

JessicaJonesJacket · 19/10/2018 09:21

Thanks for attending.
It's interesting because it shows all the different strands. People with GD being concerned about medication. Campaigners/lobbyists admitting the civil service support and entryism.
Grooming and age of consent issues.
Sexual assault by deception.

No concern over women's issues ... I wonder why that is ... Hmm

Farinthepast · 19/10/2018 09:19

There are some very questionable views held by trans rights activists.