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Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News

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R0wantrees · 18/10/2018 10:35

Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms'
by Nick Duffy
(extract)
"Speaking about transgender rights, he said: “We must speak up for the trans community, who today face shocking attacks in the media—just as lesbian and gay people did in the 1980s—as well as now online, which can be a wonderful place but also a horrendous place where attacks take place.

“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration. The deadline for Government’s consultation is on Friday.

“Trans people must be able to live full, healthy, and happy lives—being the person they want to be. Labour will stand up for their right to do so.”
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/17/jeremy-corbyn-pinknews-awards-2018/

Yesterday too, the Labour Party promoted Stonewall's guidance for the GRA:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397280-Labour-party-promoting-Stonewall

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3390910-Can-we-talk-about-Pink-News-Collecting-examples-of-their-propaganda

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3375587-Press-for-Change

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397127-Stephen-Whittle-Press-for-Change-irresponsible-use-of-likely-suicides-follows-Helen-Belchers-Trans-Media-Watch

Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News
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FWRLurker · 19/01/2019 00:42

“the supposedly left parties across the West who are supposed to stand up for workers rights?”

Yeah in USA dems aren’t for workers and neither are republicans.

You see there just aren’t enough multimillionaire lobbiests in favor of workers rights... now why would that be eh? Hmm I wonder...

ProfessoressWoland · 19/01/2019 00:27

McDonnell might be a sceptic, but does he give enough of a shit about this issue to do anything about it? He'll be busy drafting plans for the post-Brexit utopia.
I too have wondered who is exerting the pressure, but reading Butler's speech and her inane comments about gender dysphoria being comparable to race, and what Raynor and others have said, maybe it really is just a case of nice but dim people scoring woke points. Corbyn would probably be protesting outside WPUK meetings if he was 50 years younger. I wouldn't consider voting Labour anyway as I don't believe their current policies are viable, but I appreciate the dilemma lifelong Labour supporters are facing. It's depressing.

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R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 23:18

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3479831-Most-gender-critical-female-rights-party

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adultFemaleElf · 18/01/2019 23:15

(And I’m a former Labour voter that has never voted Tory.)

adultFemaleElf · 18/01/2019 23:14

Having seen Angela Raynor interviewed about Brexit the other night, I think her views on TWAW etc are unsurprising. She emanates a lack of critical thinking and intellect. If Labour ever govern and we have the likes of Corbyn, Dawn Butler and her in positions of influence, the country will be well and truly fucked.

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R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 22:56

Not that I'm aware of, would be very interesting to know who.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 18/01/2019 22:36

Was the conservative mp who threatened David Davies with police action ever named?

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R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 21:59

THe only MP who publically offered support to Linda Bellos and Venice Allen when they were taken to court by TRA Guiliana was David Davies Conservative MP (not the Brexit chap)

twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1052203110335217664

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BlackForestCake · 18/01/2019 21:44

Corbyn has known Linda Bellos for years, surely.

Vixxxy · 18/01/2019 20:43

Did Corbyn ever met with Linda Bellos as promised?

vicviking · 18/01/2019 20:23

the corbyn years will be known as the lost years for labour....

shame as a genuine left of centre alternative to the tories would normally do well in these circustances

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/01/2019 19:42

He is hot air. All I hear from him is shooting down anything that anyone else says/does and not suggesting any real, actual solutions.

He is a whingey, humourless, charmless bully of a man with all the political accumen of a first year politics student.

Melroses · 18/01/2019 19:35

Here's one Labour voter who won't be voting Labour again — and will do everything I can to persuade everyone I meet not to, either.

TBH, I doubt you will have a problem with that Grin and I say that coming from a family that has supported labour since its inception.

Jeremy Corbin is an enigma. He just keeps doing nothing. He keeps looking like he is going to do something...……..and nothing happens...……….he promises lots of nothing in a meaningful way and nothing results.

I keep hoping the rest of labour will do something with him.

AnyOldPrion · 18/01/2019 19:34

DB: “Labour will champion the unheard.”

My eyes are rolling so hard that they’ve moved right down to where my testicles would be, if only I had some.

deepwatersolo · 18/01/2019 19:31

What the fuck is the matter with the supposedly left parties across the West who are supposed to stand up for workers rights? Are they all determined to die on identity hill?!? I just can't.

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R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 19:28

TUC voted unanimously to support GRA self-id:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3362478-After-some-very-moving-contributions-TUC-unanimously-supports-gender-self-declaration

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PleasingFungusBeetle · 18/01/2019 19:25

I just want to remind you that John McDonnell met with Women's Place UK.

It is bloody obvious from what he has said that McDonnell is not on board with the extreme trans demands.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 18/01/2019 19:23

who is briefing Labour MPs so effectively?

Are you sure the pressure isn't coming from the top of the Labour party?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/01/2019 19:06

Feh. She will change her tune when her mum/auntie/granny/friend/daughter calls her up crying because she’s been given an intimate examination, or thrown out of the doctors for refusing an intimate examination by Bernard Blessed in a female nurses uniform calling h’self ‘Delores’.

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R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 19:03

The TRA conference in October organised by Jane Fae 'We're Still Here' had Dawn Butler MP as the keynote speaker.

Dawn Butler is shadow minister for Women & Equalities & seems thoroughly lobbied.

OP TheHarpySings who described attending wrote:
(extract)
3) Keynote Speech: Dawn Butler MP: Shadow Women & Equalities

This speech was fucking cringe. She said she was an ally of LGBT but had got a lot of messages moaning at her for “betraying women”. “Despite the fact I AM a woman.”

She mentioned all the countries that have self ID (RoI, Argentina, Malta, Norway). Apparently she’d been to Malta recently and it was “really chill.”

She blames the Tories for allowing this debate to drag on. “It is cruel.”

The impact of self ID are “non existent”. She said if this had been done swiftly there would be none of the current fuss or transphobia.

She said

  1. the LGBT community needs to mobilise
  2. They need to contribute to the consultation
  3. They need to change the tone of the debate (lolercaust)

She also went on to say that a “phobia” is an irrational fear and there are three treatments:

  1. Hypnosis
  2. Talking therapy
  3. Immersion therapy

Apparently the only way forward to deal with transphobia is talking therapy. DB said that the conservation needs to be around counties that already have self ID and it’s “fine”

Hilariously, given that the audience contained fucking Dr Harrop, she said something like “keyboard warriors don’t know the consequences of their actions.”

DB: “Labour will champion the unheard.”

She said that this was another form of Section 28 on the trans community.

She then quoted at length from a song from “The Greatest Showman”. I wish I was making that up.

Also, she got cornered by Mermaids reps on the way out and is meeting with them and their kids soon."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

Jane Fae:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398095-Random-thought-prompted-by-Jane-Fae-Why-doesnt-Gillick-competency-apply-to-hormone-blockers-or-sexual-consent

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/01/2019 18:24

What happened to labour? They need to change their name - is ‘monster raving looney party’ still taken?

boatyardblues · 18/01/2019 18:24

Well, that makes my decision easier if an early election is called.

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R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 18:21

Angela Raynor's Twitter comment today suggests that Stephen Whittle is correct in his assertion.

who is briefing Labour MPs so effectively?

Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News
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R0wantrees · 18/10/2018 11:58

Labour Party and others need to be getting on top of this urgently.

The issue of Andrew Lansley and subsequent Conservative Ministers of Health who have deliberately lied to the public about the NHS single sex policy is huge:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

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R0wantrees · 18/10/2018 11:54

The evidence suggests that John McDonnell's promises were just empty words. Some sort of meaningless pat on the head.

Corbyn did the same earlier in the year.
I think on Peston?

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