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Calls for Rector of Edinburgh University to be sacked because she re-tweeted message about House of Commons meeting on GRA

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PimmsnLemonade · 12/10/2018 01:18

The article even comes with a trigger warning for transphobia:

www.studentnewspaper.org/ann-henderson-triggers-controversy-over-transphobic-twitter-support/

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TimeLady · 13/10/2018 12:26

What's the odds of another article from James in The Spectator very soon? Grin

R0wantrees · 13/10/2018 00:35

Columnist for Herald and Sunday Herald. BBC TV/ radio presenter for over 20 years & former Rector of Edinburgh University:

twitter.com/iainmacwhirter/status/1050781606741504000

Calls for Rector of Edinburgh University to be sacked because she re-tweeted message about House of Commons meeting on GRA
R0wantrees · 13/10/2018 00:20

Lots of links to academics who have spoken out about the importance of free speech etc on thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3335045-Professor-Rosa-Freedman

R0wantrees · 13/10/2018 00:16

Free Speech in Universities:
May 2018 "Sam Gyimah, the universities minister, will announce tough guidance on the issue at a meeting today, calling attempts to silence debate “chilling”.

He will accuse some student societies of “institutional hostility” to certain unfashionable but perfectly lawful views. A “murky” legal landscape, with guidance from various regulators, lets zealots censor those with whom they disagree, Mr Gyimah will say."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sam-gyimah-crackdown-on-students-silencing-free-speech-x28jx85fc
threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3239267-Free-Speech-No-Platforming-at-Universities

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3238951-some-good-news

Bristol:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233018-Freedom-of-Speech-A-statement-by-the-Chair-of-the-Universitys-Equality-Diversity-and-Inclusion-Group

Newcastle:
"A Northumbria University spokesman said they decided to allow the event to take place because it was their “legal duty to uphold freedom of speech”.

He added: “We can confirm that this external event took place on campus on Thursday evening, which provided an opportunity for constructive and peaceful debate.

“The university considered this request carefully on the basis of our legal duty to uphold freedom of speech."
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3208735-Womens-Place-Newcastle?pg=2&messages=100

Sussex:
University of Sussex Vice Chancellor's statement, 'Living Our Values':
(extract)
"I have also reflected upon a situation involving an academic member of staff here at Sussex and the concerns raised by some members of our community on the views that she has shared on the Gender Recognition Act, which the government is currently consulting on.

The academic in question has come under fire for articulating views, informed by her philosophical research and scholarship, on the laws and customs surrounding gender identity. Although she has stated that she is fully supportive of the rights of everyone to identify their own gender, she has also raised questions about where boundaries should be set and these have provoked strong feelings and, in some cases, accusations. It’s at this juncture I’ve felt uncomfortable about the implication that there may be something more sinister going on.

This situation is actually a telling example of how we can choose to call upon our values to inform how we act.

By celebrating inclusion, we must recognise the personal courage of the many individuals who come up against abuse or unacceptable behaviour - just because they are being themselves. I know it has been extremely difficult for many people in the transgender and non-binary community to hear the views held by our academic.

But for me, alongside this, we must also be kind to those people who are brave enough to share their own views – and respect the courage they have for doing so. Whether it is one of our academics or another member of staff, or one of our students, I feel very strongly that we must respect their right to free speech. I hold a deep-rooted concern about the future of our democratic society if we silence the views of people we don't agree with – even if our disagreements are vehemently opposed." (continues)
www.sussex.ac.uk/staff/newsandevents/?id=45388?ref=emailaccessible
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3292400-WPUK-Brighton-Meeting-Turning-the-Tide

R0wantrees · 13/10/2018 00:11

Supportive former Edinburgh students & staff started by Iain Macwhirter & James Kirkup:
twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1050711455245438976

Calls for Rector of Edinburgh University to be sacked because she re-tweeted message about House of Commons meeting on GRA
howonearthdidwegethere · 12/10/2018 23:47

The Principal could take a leaf out of the Sussex Uni VC’s statement after Kathleen Stock was attached by students there:

m.sussex.ac.uk/broadcast/read/45388

howonearthdidwegethere · 12/10/2018 23:42

Write to the Principal Professor Peter Mathieson?

[email protected]

And forward a copy to Ann Henderson

[email protected]

Do encourage as many current students to write as possible.

Go for the free speech angle.

purplebutterflybiscuits · 12/10/2018 23:39

Any suggestions of what i could do to help as a current student there?

Urbanbeetler · 12/10/2018 20:18

Thanks Tiger.

RiverTam · 12/10/2018 16:13

oh look, I've been deleted for a personal attack (I assume) against someone who isn't on this thread, who is a public figure (of a kind) and who makes it their business to be vile to women, all in the public domain.

Well, boo fucking hoo if they didn't like it. Don't like it, don't dish it out.

Manderleyagain · 12/10/2018 16:09

ChattyLion on another thread said Universities UK should co-ordinate a joint statement from vice chancellors on this issue
Vicviking what thread is that. Yes it's a good idea. I wonder how to try and make it happen.

TwistedStitch · 12/10/2018 12:56

I haven't seen any of the usual suspects commenting on this. Is it possible that they are (belatedly) realising that thought-policing is not a good look for them?

PositivelyPERF · 12/10/2018 11:48

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted You’re going way too far with that comment.

R0wantrees · 12/10/2018 11:43

Significant response by Iain Macwhirter

Calls for Rector of Edinburgh University to be sacked because she re-tweeted message about House of Commons meeting on GRA
Calls for Rector of Edinburgh University to be sacked because she re-tweeted message about House of Commons meeting on GRA
Manderleyagain · 12/10/2018 11:19

The student groups have written to local MPs to tell them not to go to the meeting - I wonder what they said... 'do not listen to the scary ladies.' The really have no faith in their own arguments.

Edinburgh constituency members email/write to your MP and urge them to go.

VickyEadie · 12/10/2018 11:10

Bitter

I'd get that comment withdrawn if I were you. Honestly, it doesn't sound well.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 12/10/2018 11:08

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VickyEadie · 12/10/2018 10:45

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Message withdrawn as it quoted a deleted post.

Urbanbeetler · 12/10/2018 10:43

Someone referred to Professer Katherine Stock’s speech in the House of Lords. Is there anything on that in these boards?

ShimmyShimmyYa · 12/10/2018 10:41

ah! the comments section makes me happy- there is some sense in the world!

GRALetter · 12/10/2018 10:24

I have written to the Rector in support. I sincerely hope the University stands up for women and doesn't give in to this nonsense.

TimeLady · 12/10/2018 09:56

Just mentioning the News Editor, Mei Futonaka, who wrote this article on this thread in case anyone is doing a CV background check in the future.

vicviking · 12/10/2018 09:37

Well done to the Rector.
ChattyLion on another thread said Universities UK should co-ordinate a joint statement from vice chancellors on this issue. I agree. This is not just about freedom of speech. This is about a narrative that requires people to either be silent or tell huge porkies not to be in the firing line. All Universities should make it clear that it is not transphobic to believe people can't change sex and that extending trans rights to allow self id has implications for women's rights which should be freely discussed.