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drradfem · 04/10/2018 12:13

There are TAs on twitter accusing me of getting thrown out of an AWL meeting for laughing at Roz Kaveney describing being raped. This is obviously not true... listen to what we were actually laughing at and why we were asked to leave...

Also another clip of me asking about Jess Bradley, when I nearly got chucked out...

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LikeDustWeRise · 05/10/2018 21:05
LikeDustWeRise · 05/10/2018 21:03

Yes I see what you mean. DP keeps getting intrusive mental flashes of a pale shiny sculpture of a very small, very smooth cock.

I keep getting something akin to Kaveney as a creepy collector admiringly appreciating it's 'precious' smoothness, with facial expressions like the child catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

arranfan · 05/10/2018 20:51

Yes! For me, the smoothness thing was a nasty cross between The Lair of the White Worm and Blake's Sick Rose.

O Rose thou art sick.
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.

www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43682/the-sick-rose

LikeDustWeRise · 05/10/2018 20:25

Out of interest, is anyone else weirdly haunted by Kaveney saying "smoothness", referring to hormone treated cock?

DP and I just discussed that it keeps coming back to us with a bit of a sick in the throat feeling.

Something about it. I just can't get it out of my head.

LangCleg · 05/10/2018 10:52

far right, white nationalist

At some point, these maniacs are going to attract the attention of the actual far right and then they won't know what's hit them.

drradfem · 05/10/2018 10:46

Oh and I forgot far right, white nationalist who 'rails against abortion and birth control'! Confused

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drradfem · 05/10/2018 10:45

The recordings weren't released until Kaveney tweeting bullshit about what happened. It's important to record all of these interactions with TAs because they will demonise us however they can. However, whatever evidence we provide, their stories stick. In the TA mythology I am a pervert who stalks and harasses teenagers, takes 'creep shots' of trans people's genitals and now laughs at rape victims. When your whole identity is a lie, why stop there?

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RedDogsBeg · 05/10/2018 10:14

Agreed AAK, I couldn't care less if the penis is covered in glitter and sparkles, if a person has a penis that person and their penis belong in the mens without exception.

It's fortunate you made recordings drradfem as they are already lying about what happened at that meeting.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/10/2018 07:47

Also, I'll repeat what I said last time - I don't care if your penis (and testicles) are tiny, limp, and hair free, I still don't want to see them in the changing room at the swimming pool.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/10/2018 07:46

communism is just politicised kindness

We're not doing the caring sharing gulags again, are we? Maybe next they'll claim that the Holdomor was kindly offered as an entirely optional weight loss plan.

QueenSock · 05/10/2018 07:33

'Vast hairy prongs..' Do these people listen to themselves?

pombear · 04/10/2018 20:48

Erm, in that second clip, is there really another female voice there correcting you and reminding you that you should have said her penis?

And did I really hear the male voice in the room describing Jess's penis-exposing, wanking at work, posting cartoons of Ben 10 being anally raped, encouraging other potentially under-age followers to post explicit photos as 'mess-ups'.

FFS. Love you Venice.

VastHairyProngOfYourFantasies · 04/10/2018 20:35

You called ladeeeees?

I too would have peed myself laughing. What to these folks think we are worried about? Not whether the penis is delicate as a butterfly or vast and wide as the Steppes . They just don't get where the concerns care at, you know like women do
Sorry couldn't help myself. Surprised no one had taken this name.

BlardyBlar · 04/10/2018 17:09

Glad you had the tape recorder. Laughing is an understandable response. Were most people in the meeting just nodding along? I can’t imagine a room of people listening to someone talking in a very masculine sounding voice about the lovely smoothness of a woman’s penis.

And though laughter is understandable, listening to that makes me feel sick.

TransposersArePosers · 04/10/2018 16:47

Thanks R0wantrees I'll have a read of that thread later.

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 16:45

Oh ffs, does unprecedented hostility = people publicly disagreeing with you when you're used to things going your way without anyone noticing?

recent thread re Jane Fae's influence:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

TransposersArePosers · 04/10/2018 16:42

Oh ffs, does unprecedented hostility = people publicly disagreeing with you when you're used to things going your way without anyone noticing?

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 16:32

It's good to hear it. Without the visuals it makes it more ridiculous

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 16:29

There was another conference on recently organised by Jane Fae.
Dawn Butler was the keynote speaker.

I presume the other speakers were influential too?

From the Independent:
'Minority groups must stand together in the fight for one another's rights, the shadow secretary of state for women has said.

Dawn Butler used her keynote speech at the UK's first transgender conference, titled #StillHere, to speak of the importance of solidarity in the effort to advance transgender rights.

“I know that after this I’m going to get quite a lot of abuse,” the Labour MP said on Saturday, “but it’s nothing compared to what you get on a daily basis.”

This is what I learnt from talking to an anti-trans campaigner
She said: “You have to know that there is a flood of voices behind you… that’s here to stand up and support and stick up for your rights. Because without your rights I can’t have my rights and I quite like my rights and I’m still struggling to get my full rights."

“We have to fight for each other,” she added.

The conference aimed to provide a space where transgender people and allies could discuss prominent issues and network with one another.

Journalist and campaigner Jane Fae, who had the initial idea for the event, said she also hoped to “provide a boost to community spirits … after a year of unprecedented hostility towards the trans community.”

It covered topics including getting older while trans, sex while trans, policing, mental health, education and the Gender Recognition Act; legislation that, if passed, would make it easier for transgender people to change their legal gender." (cont)
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dawn-butler-transgender-uk-labour-intersectionality-rights-a8534761.html

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 16:25

If they are so sure of their stance, it would make sense for them to enable more people to see such talks and make up their own minds, don't you think? I can't possibly think why they would conduct all these events behind closed doors...

That's a really good point.
Even the transcripts from the Westminster Policy Forum conference were held back.
It had really significant policy makers and influential politicians, senior public sector managers speaking.
I think Dr Nic Williams was able to get some released but it would have been far better to watch the speakers.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents

TransposersArePosers · 04/10/2018 16:20

Just a thought - I have watched some of the fab speakers at meetings I haven't been able to attend, thanks to them being put online. Why on earth don't the other side of the debate put their meetings out for general viewing, given that it is the GC stance that is supposed to be so abhorrent?

If they are so sure of their stance, it would make sense for them to enable more people to see such talks and make up their own minds, don't you think? I can't possibly think why they would conduct all these events behind closed doors...

arranfan · 04/10/2018 16:07

Gulags being educational holiday camps.

Communism as politicised kindness.

I have to say, in the view of these young people, I do seem to need a lot of re-education. And an excision of everything I ever knew about history...I'm sure there's a targeted lobotomy for that. And, as ACTH were lobbying to be allowed to perform surgery on each other, I daresay that they've developed an infallible technique.

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 16:05

Rob Noon of NUS said something bizarre recently as well.

Rob Noon is very close to Jess Bradley in NUS, Action For Trans Health and personally.

Rose of Dawn,
'Radical far-left activists often co-opt unrelated movements to enforce their ideology on others. Here, I take a look at this phenomenon taking place in the trans community.'

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 16:02

prof Michael Biggs (Oxford Sociology) said:

"I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech. I think of the young MPhil student who had to disguise herself to attend this [WPUK] meeting because she feared the reaction of fellow students. This is the generation that we have educated."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation

arranfan · 04/10/2018 15:59

Yes, there is that photograph! Scroll down:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA?pg=7

Rob Noon of NUS said something bizarre recently as well.

communism is just politicised kindness

twitter.com/Rose_Of_Dawn/status/1045342598179811329

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