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Amnesty has "jumped the shark"

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pombear · 03/10/2018 20:07

Apologies for the flippant thread title, just wanted you all to look this way for a second.

Amnesty's sentence on why GRA reformation is important:

Transwomen are suffering violence and abuse as women and because they are trans. Over a quarter of trans people experience domestic violence and two women a week are killed by a partner or ex-partner in England and Wales

twitter.com/AmnestyUK/status/1046740263408979969

As lots of others point out, the whole article is a mess. But this statement is the most appalling and gaslighting of all.

Lots of others are saying it better than I could: twitter.com/ThrupennyBit/status/1047252878321246208

To hijack the horror of two women being killed in England and Wales a week to make it look like the figure is actually about transwomen is monstrous misogyny, utterly unethical and dangerous propaganda

Many have voiced growing concerns about Amnesty for a while:- the organisation's questionable stance on prostitution; the invitation of Shon Faye to host 'Women Making History' earlier this year.

But for me, the fact that someone felt that it was OK to make this specific and deliberate conflation of two different issues, and their attempt to use the murder of females to 'stand in for' and represent and inflate the dangers to men who want to be women, is incredibly disturbing.

WTF happened to Amnesty?

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JamPasty · 17/10/2018 21:40

Thank you!

R0wantrees · 17/10/2018 19:02

The Freedom Program are a really vital charity and are absolutely standing up for women: twitter.com/FreedomProgramm

Freedom Programme Charitable Trust is dedicated to bringing the Freedom Programme to those who need it. Help 01942 262 270 [email protected]
freedomprogramme.co.uk

JamPasty · 17/10/2018 18:57

Thank you R0wantrees for directing me here. My subscription to Amnesty will be cancelled tonight. Anyone got any suggestions for a good woman-supporting charity that I can switch my payment to? Thanks!

R0wantrees · 17/10/2018 18:17

from current thread, Handsoffmyrights post:

"I'm concerned that Jess Phillips MP was meeting Amnesty instead of going to the WUPK/FPFW/TG meeting in Westminster."

Apollo440 · 12/10/2018 02:10

Feminist4
What about this story, which suggests that the statistics being posted here are inaccurate
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-42221629

And what about this article that shows that it is even worse. The BBC actually found it was 48% of trans prisoners are sex offenders not 41% but then did everything to try and sweep it under the carpet. So much for "Reality Check".

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/is-the-bbc-scared-of-the-transgender-debate/

Feminist4 · 11/10/2018 23:10

What about this story, which suggests that the statistics being posted here are inaccurate
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-42221629

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 07/10/2018 06:12

These discussions are informed by prejudice and misinformation. Trans women are women and trans men are men

I don't know how they can type that with a straight face. The juxtaposition of those two sentences

WrongSideOfHistory · 07/10/2018 01:19

Thanks for this. It's made me very sad, I've been an amnesty supporter for many years but I have no choice now but to cancel my dd.

I've written a clear email to them about why I've chosen to do so but I expect it will fall on deaf ears.

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pombear · 07/10/2018 01:05

Translation: look away women, nothing to see here.

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pombear · 07/10/2018 01:03

You need to read the article that's linked:
Under Point No 4: Transwomen are women and there is no risk to single sex services
You might have heard discussions on the media and social media trying to tip trans rights against women’s rights. These discussions are informed by prejudice and misinformation. Trans women are women and trans men are men. Making the process to obtain legal gender recognition easier and respectful of human rights will only improve the lives of trans people, it will not affect anyone else.

Gender non-conforming people suffer under patriarchal social norms as much as cis women (cis = non trans). Trans women are suffering violence and abuse as women and because they are trans. Over a quarter of trans people experience domestic violence and two women a week are killed by a partner or ex-partner in England and Wales.
Over a quarter of trans people experience domestic violence and two women a week are killed by a partner or ex-partner in England and Wales.

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doublethink · 07/10/2018 00:22

I can see the vomit inducing bit about the GRA, but not the bit about the murder stats Confused

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pombear · 07/10/2018 00:13

No, sadly, it's very much still there:
twitter.com/AmnestyUK/status/1046740263408979969

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doublethink · 07/10/2018 00:09

Have they changed the tweet? I can't find it from the link.

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pombear · 06/10/2018 23:55

Just going to pop this to the top of the threads for a second again. Because I'm still gobsmacked by what they did.

And just for Sciencelover1 - it's in plain English and no politics.

Women are killed every week. 2 on average per week. Not transwomen. Women.

Someone writing for Amnesty thought it was a good idea to take the number of females murdered each week and make it all about transwomen.

The abuse and murder of transwomen is wrong.

But hijacking the number of women murdered and making that number all about transwomen?

These are different issues. Leave murdered women alone. Campaign for them separately. What on earth are you doing?

In my teens and twenties, Amnesty was an organisation I admired.

Now I can only see it as an organisation that's lost its way.

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WanderinWomb · 06/10/2018 21:41

What disgusting statement from Amnesty.

Just imaging the thought process of the writer makes me feel nauseous.
Bet they really chuckled about abusing women murder victims for men's gain.

R0wantrees · 06/10/2018 16:49

Alex Sharpe
'What would changes to the Gender Recognition Act mean? Two legal views'
Alex Sharpe provides the trans-rights position.
Rosa Freedman and Rosemary Auchmuty respond.
theconversation.com/what-would-changes-to-the-gender-recognition-act-mean-two-legal-views-103204

She also sits on Amnesty International's Expert Committee on the Criminalisation of Sexual and Reproductive Conduct.

Barrister (Garden Court Chambers) www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barrister/alex-sharpe/

see TELI UK (Jess Bradley, Tara Hewitt, Michelle Hudson etc)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325882-WEP-conference-questions-for-panel-of-trans-rights-advocating-barristers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

She has been involved in transgender law reform and activism for over twenty years. During that time, she has provided advice to various government agencies and departments, members of parliament, law firms, public interest advocacy organisations, and a variety of professional bodies, both in the UK and internationally. She has been cited judicially by the European Court of Human Rights and by a series of other courts in domestic jurisdictions. She sits on the International Legal Committee of the World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH). This committee makes law reform interventions in transgender litigation worldwide by way of amicus briefs. She also sits on Amnesty International's Expert Committee on the Criminalisation of Sexual and Reproductive Conduct. For more information about Alex's work, see her 'Making a Difference' page: ]]www.keele.ac.uk/law/research/makingadifference/alexsharpe/]]

www.keele.ac.uk/law/people/academicstaff/alexsharpe/

MorelloKisses · 04/10/2018 16:37

Can anybody explain the numbers behind those men/women/trans murwrws/victim stats?

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 16:20

Thank you R0wan. Where my memory for names fails me, your encyclopaedic knowledge steps in

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 16:18

It's interesting, too, isn't it, that The Jo Cox Foundation decided not to invoke the 2010 Equality Act exemptions, and thus had several 'transwomen' graduating from its Women In Leadership Programme

One being Sophie Cook:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3375843-Failed-1st-transwoman-MP-hopeful-stamps-out-in-huff-on-losing-election

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 04/10/2018 16:10

Errol

It's interesting, too, isn't it, that The Jo Cox Foundation decided not to invoke the 2010 Equality Act exemptions, and thus had several 'transwomen' graduating from its Women In Leadership Programme

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 13:09

Current thread, OP twofalls post includes response:

"I’m writing to let you know that I’ve raised your concerns regarding Mermaids UK, one of the organisations we link to on our Gender and autism page, with a number of teams within the National Autistic Society. In light of the concerns raised in your message, and of other feedback that we have received, we have decided to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website, while we take the time to consult with relevant professionals and to reconsider which organisations we wish to place links to on our website.

As such, our Web Team are working to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website as soon as possible. Please do be aware, however, that, as we are currently in the process of updating our website to reflect our new branding and organisational identity, it may take a few days for this to be actioned."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384565-Good-news-from-the-National-Autistic-Society-regarding-Mermaids-Please-help

R0wantrees · 04/10/2018 09:38

Jean Hatchet Rides For Murdered Women:
"I want to raise money to help victims of domestic violence. This money will go to Wearside Women In Need who face the closure of all 4 of their women's refuges because of a planned withdrawal of funding by Sunderland Council. Women will die as a result of that decision. We must save the women in Sunderland from men who will murder them.

At first my idea was really simple. I was riding along by the coast a couple of days ago and in my head thinking, as I often do, how many women are murdered as a result of domestic violence every year. How lucky I am to be riding my bike. Free. No one to tell me not to. Not any more.

This is not so for many women. Some women are with men who would smash their bike when they returned. Some women are with men who would call them too stupid, too fat, too selfish, too old, too useless to be doing something so simple and free as riding a bike. Some women can no longer ride a bike because they are dead. A man who they thought loved them, killed them."
twitter.com/JeanHatchet

Speech at 'Standing For Women' Manchester (at 0:14):

BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 04/10/2018 08:49

I know two of those two women a week.

One murdered by her partner and dumped in a field, her body rolled up in a carpet. Glad to say he's dead - he killed himself while awaiting trial.
The other stabbed multiple times by her partner who had been sexually threatening to me before. He's in prison.

Both were female, both were killed by males.

Mumfun · 04/10/2018 08:48

Absolutely disgusted with them. They are also arguing that it is important for refugees to have access to single sex toilets for safety (which it is) And then for self ID in the UK so that refugee women in the UK and all other women are at risk from male sexual predators. Twisted madness!

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/10/2018 08:40

Amnesty do not see women as full human beings >

Their work is for real people aka those with dicks

Has been for a while