BBC London - Tara Hewitt talking about Hampstead Ladies Pond

Hampstead ponds already has the "third space" which people talk about when trying to work out how to accommodate trans people - in this instance the unisex pond. I think it might surprise people new to all this that this option is not acceptable.

Yeah I guess this kind of shows what the issues would be even if feminists did give up their time to fight for third spaces to be added as a compromise.

Male, female and mixed sex, should be the options for everyb ody yes? But no, male people wish to be in the female pond, not the mixed sex one. They wish to change the female pond into mixed sex just because.

No which is great - I will watch with interest and as the weather is so lovely a summer of outdoor swimming may well beckon for many trans identified females....

I think Hampstead Ponds will blow the whole unisex space arguments wide open and people will start to see the issues. They cannot make one rule for women and one fur men, especially when a third space exists already.

Agree!

Not a chance. I'll be down at the men's pond swimming wirh Man Friday if they decide that. You can't have one rule for men and one for women. If this is what they decide then we must protest vehemently.

As I understand it.

I agree that it should be one rule for all. But women should not have to give up the women's pond in the first place. And from the reaction of some of the men during the ManFriday Protests, they'd not want to give up the Mens' Pond either

But if anyone is asked to budge over, the precedent is set that it will be women

@transplants and this is confirmed?

Because why not demand in that case that all three become mixed? If women have to give up their right, then surely so should men?

TheFemaleGaze

1. Male Pond
2. Mixed Pond
3. Mixed Pond

colouring

Yes. I rolled my eyes a bit there

The BBC London report started off well. But they failed to mention the UNISEX pond that exists

No-one is being denied the right to swim.

So does this mean all three ponds become mixed then?

I also pity the lifeguards.

What did they say? What's going to happen?

There was a women speaking for female only pond, also a lesbian (?!)

And transwoman in a dog collar speaking for transwoman.

So a nice balanced piece of news reporting.

On BBC London news now! Brilliant work Manfriday!

Tbh, it all made me think of Little Britain and Margory the weight watcher rep.

Oh yes! Couldn't work out what it reminded me of.

Hampstead ponds already has the "third space" which people talk about when trying to work out how to accommodate trans people - in this instance the unisex pond. I think it might surprise people new to all this that this option is not acceptable.

Just watched Tara’s youtuble cancer video. I’dclived to know what those listening thought, could only see women. So Tara lists transvestites, pert time crossdressers with fitishes, nb etc all under the trans umbrella. That staff must not assume women have vaginas and mrn have penises. They must use the patients preferred language like “clit” for their penis.

Tbh, it all made me think of Little Britain and Margory the weight watcher rep.

So the services provided by the corporation should not discriminate against transpeople, but have they made such an undertaking to prevent discrimination against women?

May I just say @R0wantrees, you do stirling work, thank you ❤️

The corporation has confirmed the consultation would “ensure services [it provides] do not discriminate against trans people”.

We need their definition of "trans people". So surely the guys who called the police on Man Friday were in the wrong? Or will be now? Unless they are envisaging some sort of gatekeeping? What will that be?

I hope judicial review awaits the corporation if they get it wrong.

Article in Ham&High by Sam Volpe (its discussed in the thread linked above):
'City of London bid to end Kenwood Ladies’ Pond controversy with new ‘fully inclusive’ gender identity consultation'

(extract)
"This follows months of controversy over who should be able to use the bathing area following a protest from some anti-trans swimmers in January.

The corporation has confirmed the consultation would “ensure services [it provides] do not discriminate against trans people”.

A spokesman would not say whether other swimmers would be censured for discriminatory behaviour or hate speech, though this is understood to be on the table.

The move is poignant, coming just days after a separate group of anti-trans protesters forced their way to the front of Saturday’s London Pride march. Organisers there were forced to apologise for not removing them" (continues)

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/environment/kenwood-ladies-pond-city-of-london-to-create-inclusive-gender-policy-1-5602815

Were Tara's accusations challenged by the BBC?

I wonder if Fair Play has had an answer to their open letter yet.

The above and other coverage like Newsnight point to some serious bias on coverage of a controversial issue. This is not consistent with their duties as national broadcaster.

Current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3303939-Hampstead-Ponds-again

previous threads:
#ManFriday at Hampstead 'men-only' pool:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3261705-Turns-out-Hampstead-swimming-ponds-are-single-SEX-after-all

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3262380-Hampstead-Havoc-go-girls

'women-only pool' :
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3126114-Hampstead-Heath-Womens-Pond

there was also a short interview with someone from here with presenter petri was also a bit one sided, the whole thing is really like a monty python sketch

Is that true about the Corporation? Would not surprise me.