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Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo

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SpareRibFem · 09/07/2018 10:59

I don't understand, there was a lot of hand wringing after the revelations about Jimmy Saville became widely accepted. #metoo there was more handwringing about the need to listen to women when they are telling you something that makes you uncomfortable.

Saville was allowed to get away with what he didn't because he created an aura of fear and people would afraid of the backlash if they spoke up. Those that did suffered.

We were promised something like that could never happen again...

And yet now despite many women and girls saying they feel afraid and uncomfortable sharing single sex spaces with someone with a penis weren't told we're bigoted and verbally abused for saying that. Our employers are contacted and told we're bigots, we're doxxed.

And organisations like girl guides are going still further in saying it must be kept a secret when girls are being forced to sleep and change with a male bodied teen with a penis (& teen levels of hormones) and I'm not even allowed to identify what sex that male bodied teen with a penis is on a public forum

Girl Guides are taking that approach despite the knowledge that abusers use secrecy and shame to their advantage.

Just like with Saville anyone who excesses concerns is shouted down and accused of being the person in the wrong by the powerful. There is a culture of fear now. Celebrity voices in particular (thinking people like Munroe Bergdorf, Stephen Fry and long list of others) are given more weight to shout down women's concerns. Male bodied people feelings are paramount despite almost all sexual abusers being male bodied (and most of the tiny tiny number of female bodied sexual abusers working with and being in thrall to a male bodied abuser)

Did we as a society learn nothing from Saville & the multitude of other abuse scandals that women and children/girls should be listened to, that celebrities voices help hide abusers, that telling girls to keep secrets from their parents about the presence of penises in their bedrooms and changing rooms and showing them they will be blamed and abused if they transgress and tell someone creates an environment where abuse can flourish.

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R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 17:17

Jessica Eaton's comment:

'every week social workers approach me about traumatised kids after abuse and trauma suddenly identifying as trans and SW being told to just affirm it rather than working through the trauma'

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 17:15

Cambian that's it! Thanks Red

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2018 17:06

No Carillion were the private sector building company who went bust.
Cambian are the child care service provider you are thinking of.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 15:21

THis is Keys Group, was the other one Carillion?

RedToothBrush · 02/08/2018 15:05

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/richholmes/keys-group-aaron-leafe?utm_term=.noJWGr4WG&__twitter_impression=true
Private Children’s Homes Repeatedly Failed Aaron Leafe — Until The Day He Died
“If Keys Group had cared for him appropriately, he would still be alive today.”

This is a follow up to last week's Buzzfeed's expose on children's home.

This one is equally as horrific.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 09:53

From current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324391-Paedophile-expert-warns-of-transitioning-as-a-ploy

1/8/18 Scottish Sun article:
'PERV FURY Bearded Aberdeen paedophile jailed for downloading vile baby sex pics starts secret life as woman after transitioning in Scots jail:An outraged mum whose son was murdered by a paedo has demanded a legal change over Christyl Knight’s new life as a woman'
(Extracts)
"The con is desperate for a fresh start but child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

"[Margaret-Ann Cummings, a campaigner whose son was murdered by a convicted sex-offender] added: “It’s not unusual for sex offenders to want a new identity but this is the most disturbing case I’ve heard of.

“When someone, so soon after getting out of jail, is trying to change not just their name but their sex and appearance too, it sounds like they’re trying to hide rather than reform.”

Echoing her calls, child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

Intresting to note that Claude Knight has commented.
She has recently retired after 15 years as head of Kidscape: www.kidscape.org.uk/news/2016/may/ceo-claude-knights-announces-her-retirement/

cf Claude Knight's comments and also her experience in Safeguarding and child protectionand knowledge with James Morton who is also quoted in the article:

"James Morton, of the Scottish Transgender Alliance, said: “Our understanding is that transitioning does not erase your past if you’re a sex offender.

“You have to give your new name to police. Trans people usually encounter greater suspicion. I don’t think it helps people blend in.”

James Morton plays a key role in advocating trans rights in Scotland:

Article June 2018 'Schools 'forget' girls in rush to adopt pro-trans guidance campaigners claim as Christian group threatens legal action'
(Extracts)
Among the councils which have endorsed the guidance produced by LGBT Youth and the Scottish Trans Alliance, Glasgow, West Lothian, Clackmannanshire and South Lanarkshire said they were unable to publish an assessment of the likely impact on other pupils as they had not carried one out. Edinburgh City Council failed to respond. The office of the Scottish Children's Commissioner, Education Scotland and the Scottish Government have all also backed the LGBT Youth guide. (cont.)

James Morton, manager of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said EQIAs had generally not been carried out because the document distributed by councils was guidance, not an official policy.

"If it became an official policy position they should do an EQIA and I'm sure it would show that there isn't any negative impact on other pupils," he said.

He claimed critics hostile to trans people were presenting a distorted view of the guidance. "There has always been a very small number of people hostile to trans inclusion. They say they are concerned about the impact on girls but they are not just standing in the way for progress for trans people they are actively trying to roll back trans rights."

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

LaSquirrel · 31/07/2018 21:02

Also, I would add, that I thought the then new trend of 'tranzing children' would Peak Trans the world.

Sadly, I was wrong. Very wrong.

LaSquirrel · 31/07/2018 20:58

It is all hiding in plain sight.
150 autistic children given puberty blockers and supposedly ROGD.
A scandal within itself, regardless of all the other stuff going on.

This will totally be yet another "but how could we have known?" scandals.

It's like watching a train wreck, it really is.

RedToothBrush · 31/07/2018 20:36

amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/31/fears-cash-strapped-council-may-cut-services-for-vulnerable-children?__twitter_impression=true
Fears cash-strapped council may cut services for vulnerable children
Northamptonshire county council scrambles to save £70m amid warnings even core services are at risk

RedToothBrush · 31/07/2018 09:03

I saw interesting comment about Corbyn generally this week. It said that he had a low threshold for criticism of how he goes about things. He believes, even when presented with evidence, that the way he does things is right. He can not adapt or adjust his position if its found to have slight flaws because he lacks the political maturity to evolve his y
I don't know how you get through if this is indeed the case but I do think its worth baring in mind and coming up with alternative strategies to get heard somehow.

I think the rigidity of thought is generally a problem of the politics of the moment. Its an arrogance of certainity and this plays out particularly badly for women as their voices find it even harder to be heard as they are not respected in the same way.

Melamin · 31/07/2018 08:47

"Where we have people in positions of power, predominiently men but not exclusively we see abuses of power and if there are not sufficient checks in place to prevent perpetrators from joining, but then also to deter people from committing these acts, and also to detect and respond to that, this is what happens."

Melamin · 31/07/2018 08:36

Baroness Still and Helen Evans are really worth a listen on Today at about 08.10 this morning. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bcddsg

R0wantrees · 31/07/2018 07:46

Guardian, 'MPs accuse aid groups of 'abject failure' in tackling sexual abuse'
(extract)
"Stephen Twigg, the committee chairman, said the sector’s failure to deal with the issue had left victims at the mercy of those who sought to use power to abuse others.

The report, published on Tuesday, also criticised the UN, which it said had failed to display sustained leadership in tackling abuse, and said the historical response of the UK’s Department for International Development (DfID) was disappointing.

The committee launched its inquiry into sexual exploitation and abuse after revelations that Oxfam covered up claims that its staff had used sex workers while working in the aftermath of the 2010 Haiti earthquake. The sector has faced intense scrutiny, with further allegations of sexual misconduct emerging at .

Twigg said the aid sector was first made aware of concerns in 2002, when a report by the UN agency for refugees (UNHCR) and Save the Children documented cases of abuse. Despite this, and a series of other warnings, little action was taken. “There are so many reports that go back over this period of 16 years and the system has failed to respond anything close to adequately over the period,” the Labour MP said. “This is 16 years of failure by the entire international system of governments, the UN and the aid sector.” (continues)

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jul/31/mps-accuse-aid-groups-of-abject-failure-in-tackling-sexual-abuse

R0wantrees · 31/07/2018 07:40

Times article today
'MPs attack Oxfam and call for aid staff register'
(extract)
"Oxfam has been criticised by MPs for failing to disclose the extent of sexual misconduct by its staff in Haiti. They have called for a global register of aid workers to tackle “endemic” abuse.
They have called for a global register of aid workers to tackle “endemic” abuse.

The aid industry has been guilty of “complacency verging on complicity” for decades in tackling the sexual abuse of vulnerable people, according to a report by MPs published today.

The inquiry by the international development select committee was prompted by revelations in The Times this year that Oxfam staff used prostitutes in Haiti in 2010.

The report rejects claims from the former head of Oxfam that the charity was sufficiently transparent in reporting misconduct to the government.

It calls for an end to the “culture of denial” in the aid sector, for extra funding to help the reporting of abuse allegations and for the creation of an aid ombudsman to hear appeals from victims.

The report says: “A global register of aid workers would act as one barrier to sexual predators seeking to enter the profession. The sector, led by the Department for International Development (Dfid), should commit to making this a reality at the international safeguarding conference [in London] in October.” (continues)

Stephen Twigg was also interviewed about the report on R4 Today program.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mps-attack-oxfam-and-call-for-aid-staff-register-vnp0wh0dc

R0wantrees · 29/07/2018 06:18

The possible consequences of Cliff Richard's successful court case were raised previously on this thread.
(The BBC were refused appeal by the trial judge this week)

See reference to it already with regards reporting of Jess Bradley's suspension (NUS Trans officer)
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

'Britain's first official transgender student officer suspended over claims she posted explicit photographs of a person flashing in a train carriage and public park to her online blog
Britain's first official ‘transgender students’ officer’ has been suspended over allegations that she posted explicit photographs on a blog called 'Exhibitioinizm'
Jess Bradley's images show an individual flashing while sitting in a train carriage
Her law firm sought to prevent the publication of the story on privacy grounds'

(extract)
"Ms Bradley declined to comment, but has instructed libel lawyers Carter Ruck.

The law firm sought to prevent the publication of the story on privacy grounds.

As part of its argument, it cited last week’s High Court ruling that the BBC had infringed on the privacy of Sir Cliff Richard by reporting a police raid on his home. Carter Ruck argued that, based on the judgment, a report on Ms Bradley’s suspension and the NUS investigation relating to it would be an infringement of her privacy.

Legal experts have warned that the High Court ruling on Sir Cliff could have serious implications for journalism in Britain. Gavin Millar QC, who led the BBC’s legal team, said: ‘The risk is a severe chilling effect on the freedom of the press in relation to reporting police investigations.’ (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

Jess Bradley was recently interviewed on Sky News as part of a focus on proposed changes to the GRA.
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA

R0wantrees · 27/07/2018 11:00

thread started yesterday:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318615-Pedophile-Manifesto

R0wantrees · 27/07/2018 10:40

Current thread with Safeguarding concerns & Girl Guiding:

OP AgnesBadenPowell comment:

"I've been a bit quiet lately. I'm under investigation, which I can't discuss in any detail, although my membership is now at risk. In the meantime, I'm still a leader and Girlguiding has not changed its stance on trans issues. The following is a bit of a stream of consciousness but I'm feeling quite troubled by it and need to let it out! I'd also be interested in what parents of rainbows think.

I took my rainbows on a sleepover this weekend. It was great! It also really bought home to me the risks posed by the trans policy. I feel quite upset and tearful about it.

We had 20 rainbows in a church hall. Three women leaders, including me, also slept in the main hall - at one end, out of the way, with our own sleeping mats and bags etc - but in the same room. The other women leaders slept in an adjoining room (more of a lobby really).

The adults used the gents toilets and the girls used the ladies and disabled facilities. Despite this some girls weren’t too bothered and just changed in the hall! One nosy rainbow followed me into the gents - luckily I was only brushing my teeth and not changing - and of course I shooed her out.

How would a set up like this (which is pretty common) work with a trans child or adult? We could look for new venues with more rooms/options but Girlguiding’s stance is that the trans child and adult should use the facilities of their chosen gender. And if parents aren’t aware of the single gender/mixed sex policy, they aren’t in a position to complain or take their children out.

On a personal note, the two other leaders in the hall are women that I don’t know very well. One of them I’ve only met once before, she’s a brownie leader who came to help so we met our ratios. My sleeping mat was right next to hers as there wasn’t much space. It was fine but I could not have done this with a self identified (ie male at birth) transwoman. I don’t know any woman who would feel safe sleeping right next to a male bodied person they had only met once before. And I should never, ever be expected to do so. For all the make up, dresses, female names, most transwomen do not have bottom surgery and retain their male genitalia. I would never be expected to share sleeping accommodation with a man I don’t know (or even ones I do - I’m not sharing a room with my male colleague on a business trip next week) so why would it be acceptable in Girlguiding, provided the male said he feels female?

It really hit home that it’s only fair and reasonable to expect people of the same sex to share spaces like this. I really don’t want to make trans people feel bad or left out - but my dignity, my girls dignity and privacy, is every bit as important as theirs."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314566-another-girlguiding-update

LangCleg · 26/07/2018 21:22

Lisa - take a look at the ROGD thread currently on the board.

RedToothBrush · 26/07/2018 20:38

I was thinking its more along the lines of people living comfortable lives not wanting to be reminded of abuse and poverty.

They don't want to see it, so its removed or hidden.

They certainly don't want to talk about it, as thats the thing that really offends them; these people daring to burst their bubble of nice, safety and security.

And of course if you don't see abuse and poverty and no one talks about it, there is no evidence it even exists. There isn't a problem to be dealt with.

Those in their nice bubble don't need to readjust their world view nor take any sort of action to stop it.

Its all about denial.

Its sadly not unprecedented.

It doesn't end well.

lisamuggeridge · 26/07/2018 12:58

Trans activists have been reduced to objects by the media and politics organisations pushing this. The problem with reducing someone to an object is you cant hear them. While we are having the conversation about these systems I rather suspect some of the most prominent supporters of this will be beginning to actually hear what these activists have been saying and realising their scalps are attached. This is a fucking mess. This is an actual humonguous mess.

lisamuggeridge · 26/07/2018 12:55

narcissistic abusers wanting access to kids and wanting kids as extensions of their own identity. We are supposed to have systems which prevent this.

R0wantrees · 26/07/2018 12:28

Comment by 'Social Work Tutor'
www.facebook.com/socialworktutor/posts/875496885979946

(extract)
"Yesterday the government told us that a million public sector workers are to receive their biggest pay rise in 10 years.

Teachers, nurses, doctors, dentists, soldiers and prison officers are all getting a pay rise.

But not social workers.

Once again we’ve been forgotten about and all the good work we do has failed to be acknowledged.

And where is the outcry from our unions?

Where is the campaigning from our associations?

Where is the championing of our cause by our professional leaders?

Yeah... you guessed it... there’s nothing being said at all.

Same old story for social workers as we’re pushed to the bottom of the pile and totally forgotten about.

Instead of a pay rise we’re being told that we’re not working hard enough, that we’re to blame for the broken system and that we need more testing to make us better.

Instead of a pay rise we’re getting the news that more of us are facing violence and threats for simply doing our jobs.

Instead of a pay rise we’re watching our teams fall apart as half of our colleagues are predicted to quit the profession for good in the next 18 months." (continues)

R0wantrees · 26/07/2018 12:01

Current threads:
tweet by Stephanie Davies (Transgender Trend founder)
mobile.twitter.com/cwknews/status/1022394312556990465

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317880-Parents-who-wont-affirm-8-yr-old-gender-change-being-referred-to-social-services

Separate discussion following OP comment:
(extract)
"My daughter presents with ROGD. Her school is going forward with affirming this by way of calling her by her boys name and male pronouns. That's all so far. This despite our repeated requests to step back and watch and wait - to go at our pace as a family (basically back off). She has had a lot of emotional upheaval in her short life and has always found it hard to fit in. We have found a wonderful counsellor and that's all we're prepared to do at present" (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317247-daughter-with-rogd-issues-with-school

Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo
Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo
Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo
RedToothBrush · 26/07/2018 08:06

Bbc appealling the cliff richard ruling on points of law.

Suspect they will lose...

RedToothBrush · 26/07/2018 08:03

Buzzfeed investigation:

www.buzzfeed.com/richholmes/care-price?utm_term=.hdmG7jLMWK#.oynLlAZO3a
Danger And Despair Inside Cambian Group, Britain's Largest Private Child Care Home Provider
Big rewards for investors and executives, “chaos” and “unhygienic” conditions for children.

But while Cambian has reaped the benefits of its corporate recovery, young people in its care have endured decrepit conditions and even suffered violent assaults, a BuzzFeed News investigation has found. Documents and interviews show vulnerable kids forced to share close quarters with dangerous peers, rooms marred by vomit spatter and broken furniture, and homes spiralling out of control under the watch of poorly trained staff.

And

A BuzzFeed News investigation has found severe failings across Britain’s children’s care sector, which has become dominated by for-profit companies. Private providers charge taxpayers millions, yet their facilities are rated subpar more often than homes run by nonprofits or local governments, according to a BuzzFeed News analysis of the latest available regulator data.

And

In one home a 10- or 11-year-old girl was sent to live with “16-year-old lads” who were “all going out, smoking, doing drugs”, said Daniel Huszar, a former “team leader” at Cambian homes in Greater Manchester. “That to me was like, no, you don’t put a little girl through that.”

And

In another home, a 10-year-old autistic boy was sent to live with two teens known to bully people, who then abused him, according to Samaira Azim, a staff member at the home.

And

When Azim raised concerns, managers became “furious” with her, telling her it was “none of your business”, she told BuzzFeed News. Inside the home, the two older children quickly began intimidating and bullying the younger boy, Azim said. In retaliation, the boy started assaulting staff and making allegations against them when they restrained him.

“They could have avoided that. They could have put these two kids somewhere else,” Azim told BuzzFeed News. “But all they were interested in was filling beds.”

And

At another home in Doncaster, a teenage boy started bringing in knives and other weapons. Staff confiscated what they could but weren’t able to keep up, a former employee told BuzzFeed News. The employee said she pleaded with management to remove the child from the home before he hurt someone, but the child remained.

One day the boy attacked one of the others in the home with a baseball bat, said the former employee, who declined to be named in fear of retribution from Cambian directors. The victim survived the attack but was now terrified to be in the home. The former employee said she reported the incident up to Cambian management, expecting that the violent boy would be removed before he could hurt his peer again.

Cambian did nothing, the employee said. The boy remained in the same house.

Cambian told BuzzFeed News that the assault did happen, but “no baseball bat was used”. The two boys “settled their difference”, Cambian said, and remained in the home together until, nearly a year later, they both left.

And

Ricky Watson told BuzzFeed News he was “pressured” by his manager into working 32 consecutive hours at an understaffed home in Bedfordshire. Staff shortages grew from the director’s reluctance to pay contract workers in order to fill gaps at the homes, depending instead on overworked full-time staff, Watson said. “I knew people who did a few days in a row without going home,” he said. “You couldn’t go until they got somebody to replace you.”

And

Poor staff training created other dangerous problems elsewhere. At another home, in Halton, Cheshire, children were abusing drugs. Yet the staff had not been given any recent relevant training, an inspection report found, meaning they “had limited knowledge on this subject”. What’s more, staff were not given “realistic strategies to prevent potential harm”. Inspectors at a home in Warwickshire found a lack of training in radicalisation and extremism of children, which left staff “without the knowledge to safeguard young people”, the inspector wrote.

The whole article is utterly appalling.

And there's moves to lessen safeguarding?!