Reality check

For non-engagement with some topics and questions, I think of Reni Eddo-Lodge and her, Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race.

Guardian's Long Read discussion

I may be willing to refrain from saying certain things, but I am not willing to lie.

We all need to let off steam when being brigaded and goaded. But there are other places to do that.

With regard to moderating my language...

I'm perfectly happy to moderate my language in the sense that I'm not going to call people names or swear directly at them (never going to stop swearing generally, however. Swearing is cool and I will swear at anyone who says otherwise, ner), or use terms that are commonly understood to be slurs, such as t**y.

I'm not perfectly happy to moderate my language so that my speech is compelled. I will not use terms for people not of my sex that appropriate my sex, for example.

And I'm not perfectly happy to moderate my language so that my meaning is obscured. MN has an important consciousness-raising function for lurkers and for influencers and opinion formers reading. I want what I say to be clear.

Is there a way around all this? Unsure.

Is there somewhere that runs online courses in this kind of stuff (like the Freedom Programme is for recognising male pattern abuse)? Because I'd actually do that.

So would I - it would be beneficial.

Civil Rights activists had specific training to help them resist retaliating to provocation. We should take a tip from them.

Is there somewhere that runs online courses in this kind of stuff (like the Freedom Programme is for recognising male pattern abuse)? Because I'd actually do that.

Would the be Non Violent Resistance Training doctorcuntybollocks?

ScarletBegonias

I think engaging with the Twitter campaign to impose moderation on MN by some TRAs did lead to some good. It brought the source of some reports and the nature of complaints onto an open forum.

Somen relevent recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3245779-New-Statesman-article-The-demonisation-of-Mumsnet-is-just-the-latest-incarnation-of-witch-hunting

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241575-Mumsnet-Grass-Account

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3238239-Shon-Faye-hassling-mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3227339-TRAs-lobbying-Cow-Gate

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3238869-Hi-Mumsnet-if-you-are-asking-feminist-women-to-consider-whether-Mumsnet-is-for-them-please-be-clear-that-the-space-we-made-here-is-for-all-of-us

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3211247-The-Lib-Dem-LGBT-twitter-feed-is-annoyed-at-Mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3227312-All-the-Mumsnet-hate-on-Twitter-Have-we-friendzoned-Indias-penetration

Civil Rights activists had specific training to help them resist retaliating to provocation. We should take a tip from them.

Yes to everything Bowl's just said.

That makes sense!

I will moderate my language - I think I’m fairly restrained in my use of it anyway (tad sarcastic at times but that’s no crime) because I feel MN is important. I don’t want to have to moderate my language - there are a few things I’d like to say that I know would be against the rules so I won’t say them here.

For me it’s a case of finding a way of saying what I want to say in a way that can’t be used against MN. I value this space - I honestly believe MN has changed my life for the better in some ways. It was here I got parenting support when I was desperately sleep deprived with my first. It was here I had my eyes opened to a more rad fem perspective.

I am ANGRY that you’re being targeted like this. I’m sure there’s a lot of behind the scenes pressure and I don’t envy you finding a way through it. Please don’t capitulate to these people - you’re a beacon of critical thought, humour, support and feminism and we value that.

Basically it says 'we have lots of funding and everyone who matters has to listen to us'.

If only Women's Aid, Refuge and Rape Crisis had that kind of funding and clout.

Pratchet

I can't read the link in the OP, it's too small. Can you summarise what it says.

Will keep pushing that Gender Critical boulder up the hill, every day, so that lurkers can see

I appreciate this thread. Nice to wake up to calm reason. Is this situation bloody ridiculous? Of course it is. That's why I have every sympathy with the women who have felt they couldn't stay because it was hugely distressing to be forced to comply with such strange language diktats.

But for those of us strong enough to stay, it is fairly imperative to play the game because the important thing is to keep this knowledge out there, to keep women aware that they are always always allowed to say no.
I was lonely and frightened until someone on Twitter mentioned the discussion on MN, so I came and had a look, and suddenly, I wasn't alone - there was a whole load of women pointing out that something sinister was going on, and more than sounding the alarm, they equipped me with the language I needed to puncture to growing lie bubbles around me.

My internet presence is fairly varied, and before I registered here, I attempted to make the GC case in other places too - and that dissemination of argument online and in real life is what will result from keeping this board active in a positive way.

Take a tip from the Christian church, if you will. In many places in the world, we are outlawed and banned. Do we stop? Of course not, we adjust our language and practice so that we can continue to get the word out. If you believe you are standing for the truth, you don't let the perceived gains by the liars hold you down.

Do MN count as a publisher or a platform in terms of content?

Pratchet that is very true biology is not bigotry. Its the bigotry That is.

Can I just address non members reporting posts, as this is a open forum. And it takes as long to join mums net as report a post then this seems a non issue unless you are talking about people who. Have already been banned by mumsnet then I can see a problem.

Also people posting threads that are designed to get a responce as is often stated you not need to respond you are all grown ups every post or thread does not need a responce as people say if no one responds then the thread sinks. If you do respond then it's your responsibility not the threads how you respond

I doubt very much that the actual police are keeping an eye on things. That is scaremongering

If someone commits an offence then that's one thing but the police are busy they do not trawl MN looking for evidence of potential thought crimes