Monroe Bergdorf again - The Sunday Times

It’s Ian Beaumont.

Well, he's not The Cat...

I, for one, am hoping it’s Duane Dibley.

I can't access X at the moment.

Just FYI MB’s ‘deadname’ is on X if anyone’s interested, it’s quite a contrast.

I take it you are a medical professional HomeTerf and therefore clearly noted on how to allocate scarce resources.

A rather harsh line you take there on "non essential" treatment.

Many young adults are dying, waiting several years just to be seen:

NHS gender care delays ‘contributed’ to trans woman killing herself, coroner says

Coroner warns of future deaths after trans woman dies in tower block fall

NHS don't fund that sort of facial surgery. Bergdorf is in the lucky position to be able to fund it herself.

Most trans peeps just trying to get some basic support, like many.

furcoatnaeknickers · 04/03/2018 16:19

Anyone else keeping seeing FFS and thinking ‘for fuck’s sake’.

Yes, until it dawned on me that it was facial feminisation surgery.

^ yes I think MB is interested in men not women.

My key takeaways are:

1. Munroe Bergdorf has severe and entrenched internalised homophobia and self-hatred
2. Bergdork's role as adviser to Dawn Butler helps to explain why Dawn Butler talks so much rubbish

Wasn't Bergdork also involved in some scandal involving a children's charity - inappropriate messages to minors or some such?

Yep

Yes, amazing how many of them are "lesbians" isn't it? As in the vast majority.

It's a lot of money to spend and still, well, look like a bloke at the end of it

the PM has said that being transgender is not a illness. I hope Bergdorf paid for those ops and was not a costly drain on the the NHS budget.

Most AGPs are heterosexual males. The breasts and the facial surgery enhance their sexual gratification without interfering with their sexual performance. The vast majority of transgender identified males are AGPs.

And again, normally I just wouldn't care if someone had a penis or not or whatever they wanted to do with their own body.

But when that person starts speaking for women and lecturing them on how to woman, which is exactly what Lees does in their horrible Vice articles, then I will call that shit out right there.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/paris-lees-dear-ian-mcewan-your-ideas-about-penises-are-outdated/

From this absolute word goulash of nonsense I'm guessing Paris still has the appendage too.

I don't know for certain, but I'm also pretty sure that Paris Lees still has a penis as well.

Which makes this article, where Paris lectures and corrects women on what 'good sex' constitutes, even more fucked up:

www.vice.com/en_uk/article/nnq44q/paris-lees-the-21-sexiest-things-about-sex-696

So does Munroe's girlfriend think she's a lesbian then? The mind boggles..

Yes, I don't know. It would be weird to have PIV sex and call yourself a lesbian.

Honestly, normally I wouldn't give a shit about that kind of stuff and consenting adults can obviously shag who they want. But actually, in the context of what is happening, it is important to remember that language does actually matter and you can't just go changing the dictionary definitions of words to suit your weird agenda.

So does Munroe's girlfriend think she's a lesbian then? The mind boggles..

The MOS article was very similar. Including comments from Nigel Evans

I normally feel really, really apprehensive about commenting on the looks of people I disagree with - but something about Bergdorf's blatant but ultimately unsuccessful imitation of women's appearances really rubs me the wrong way.

It’s not really commenting on MBs looks in the usual sense, more a critique of the ideas underpinning MB’s choices which result in MB having a stereotypical look. It’s uncomfortable going there though, nobody wants to be hurtful.

Anyone else keeping seeing FFS and thinking ‘for fuck’s sake’.

I’m going to need FFS surgery to remove all the excess FFS I’ve been developing.

I do find men having breast implants and feminising face surgery but no genital reassignment weird. In some ways its understandable because few transexuals post genital surgery can orgasm and they never look "right" or work properly. On the other hand what is the point? It is just turning yourself in to a freak that few people of either sex are likely to be interested in. It all seems very silly.

Incidentally, I have a sub to the Times so can share stuff.

No, Munroe hasn't had bottom surgery. Which is odd really, because that is available on the NHS and that can happen quite quickly once you've been 'living in' your acquired gender for 2 years.

This bit gives me the utter rage: "I started taking a low dose of my friend’s hormones. These gave me the puberty that I would have had as a teenage girl."

No it didn't. If you'd gone through puberty as a teenage girl, you would have started your periods. It's not puberty, it's taking sex hormones to develop secondary sexual characteristics.