Evidence of misandry on Feminist chat.

I know this is slightly off topic, but I find statistics really interesting.

I see that 90% of violent crime is committed by men - does anyone know what % of men commit violent crime? I presume is small.

For the man who asked what can men as a class do to 'stop male violence' I think simple things like not buying music where women are referred to in a derogatory way or glamourizing rape/violence, walking out of films where women get 'shown who is boss' for want of a better description, if you hear a rape joke, saying 'that's not funny'; being vocal against about porn based on rape. if you have a position of power like you are in the police force give weight to a women's voices. The Rotherham scandals show the police force punishing the girls not the men initially - and this has rightly been well documented now. Those police officers presumably joined the police force to protect people but they enabled violence due to societies norms and are probably gutted at how wrong they got it.

Now as you asked, I am sure that you really are a nice bloke and are already thinking along these lines anyway but it really involves a good bit of lateral thinking.

"But my cunning disguise is so cunning! Has a plastic fake nose and everything."

*come across MRA-like

This is a stupid thread to start, if you read a post that crosses talk guidelines then report it and MNHQ will consider removing it. You can also comment on any thread that you think crosses the line (as Lass did on the rapist thread).

I think coming to a specific thread (this one) to just document that X said y on Z thread probably breaks talk guidelines.

OP you definitely do across MRA-like.

'Don't tell em you are an MRA guys, they will never notice'.

Lol.

Bonus points for "echo chamber!"

We need a bingo card, it would at least alleviate the tedium a bit.

No, P, where we differ is in that I'm honest enough to admit that what the statistics are telling us about violence is true and important, and you're not.

(And now we appear to be embarking on the sealioning portion of the how to be an angry man on a feminist forum lifecycle.)

I'm part of a group collectively responsible for a horrible history of colonialism, as a white Brit. Curiously enough I don't feel the need to turn up on, say, forums where Indian people are talking about their experiences to scold them for saying anything negative about white Brits.

Kittens

Unless MN have changed their terms and conditions recently, there are no rules against opposing opinions. I have as much right to be on this forum as you do.

If you want to debate somewhere where your assertions aren't challenged then feel free but that isn't really a debate is it, it's an echo chamber.

I see a lot of men on here who routinely take the view that rape, violence and unnacceptable behaviours are by definition, unacceptable and should be called out and challenged.

Where we differ is the degree to which we agree and on the finer points.

The idea that women can't be guilty of the equivalent of misogyny because there are no power inbalances in their favour seems to be very convenient. It seems like letting yourself off too easily. See also non-white people can't be racist.

Hate and prejudice exist independently of the ability to act on them.

Just wondering if larrygrylls has got back to a proper computer yet.

Am I still collectively responsible, regardless of my behaviour?

The most hardened feminist would probably say you are responsible due to your apathy.

Eg you are eagerly invested in coming onto feminist chats to advise women how to do feminism better etc etc
So... you could channel that energy to activism and help us protect women?
Call out your male friends every single time you come across misogyny?
Help campaign against prostitution / porn?

I take exception to the 1 dinensional characterisation of men as all lazy, sexist, potential rapists that is often discussed on here as if it is a given.

But I take exception to what you have just posted because I don't see this on the Feminist Chat board.

I see the truth of what is being discussed and it does make for uncomfortable reading, especially when you factor in the statistics, which are shocking.

My son has said that he is wary of men and the potential of what they can do (he is sixteen). He has felt this way for some time as well. He told me it was because of what he has seen and heard (he goes to an all boy's school, though thankfully the sixth form is mixed sex).

The reason why I comment on these kind of threads (I can't speak for other men) is because I take exception to the 1 dinensional characterisation of men as all lazy, sexist, potential rapists that is often discussed on here as if it is a given.

Thanks for confirming that policing women's language is more important to you than actually doing anything to prevent male violence. Not that it wasn't already obvious, but nice to have it spelled out.

(I haven't been here for very long - how does Mumsnet usually handle trolls? Because I'd hate to see this board end up being 90% women attempting to reason with MRAs. Which is most likely the goal for them and why the bat signal was raised.)

Kittens

How do you know what men talk about? From my perspective, nobody that I know thinks that violence towards women, rape or misogyny is acceptable. (And I work in a very male dominated environment) unnacceptable behaviours in the news (Chef Evans etc) are often discussed. The way we view them would surprise you.

The reason why I comment on these kind of threads (I can't speak for other men) is because I take exception to the 1 dinensional characterisation of men as all lazy, sexist, potential rapists that is often discussed on here as if it is a given.

Patriarchy- do you call out other men when they make rape/violence jokes? Do you talk to other men about your feminist principles? Do you monitor very carefully the messages your son gets about how men should deal with conflict/powerful emotions? Do you acknowledge that male violence is a male issue? Do you accept that male violence is an issue at all? Do you understand why women might be wary of men? If you do all of those things you’re well in the way.

the statement 'all men are potentially violent' is no more valid than the statement 'all black people are potentially criminals

Hey look. Another example of an anti feminist argument which relies on the deployment of racist stereotypes.

Skin colour doesn't predict violence. Maleness does.

If I was offended that someone thought I was incapable of doing something I'd try to prove that I was in fact more than capable. Interesting that this is never what men who claim to be offended that they're perceived as being incapable of basic domestic tasks do.

Well, OP? Thoughts about the thread you started?

Anyway sorry it also wouldn't count as misandry because you aren't saying
"All men are incapable of housework"

Would men really be offended by being seen as incapable of doing housework so left out of it, or would they be secretly pleased?

Ohhh thanks Bit still half asleep but now I get it. Basically the complaints about misanthropy are that any discussion between women about self ID is automatically invalid if women aren't being scrupulously kind, fair and polite about men at all times?

Sure I've heard that one before.....

I think there are ducking stools and scolds bridles for correcting this sort of thing.

I don't think the screenshot is an example of misandry.

And, no, I don't believe that there is misandry on Mumsnet. For me, misandry has to be systemic and systematic. I do occasionally see, however, criticism of men - or a specific man - but that always strikes me as someone ranting or letting off steam. The difference is that there is no power imbalance with the power weighted toward women in those cases.

I didn't see the thread about someone setting fire to someone's genitals. I wouldn't find it funny, no matter which sex was the target.