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Why no routine annual conference gynaecological checks in UK?

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stoppedlurking56 · 28/08/2014 18:40

Am I missing something?

When I lived in Germany/Belgium all of my female colleagues would have annual appointments with a gynaecologist - like we do here with the dentist. This was years ago when we were all mid to late-twenties, and I forgot about it til after I came back here and had a pregnancy and hospital birth... I've always wondered if women's gynaecological health is worse here in the UK because of it.
How could I see a gynaecologist here for a full checkup - would I have to go private? I'm British and living in Scotland now, late thirties. I've never had such a routine annual check either abroad or here. I'd like to understand the differences in the systems.
I posted in FWR because it strikes me that women's health is pretty far down the NHS list of priorities - but interested in others' views. Am I right to notice this?

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Earlybird · 28/08/2014 19:02

I think some countries advocate regular preventative health checks (helps especially with early detection).

Other countries advocate dealing with a problem when it arises (though sometimes things have advanced significantly by the time you are aware there is an issue that requires a visit to the doctor).

In America, women are advised to have a smear every year - especially once they are sexually active and if they are / have been intimate with more than one partner in that year.

Some may say once a year is too much. However, I was very grateful when some precancerous cells were discovered at my annual exam/smear. In the year since my previous smear, the cells had progressed quite rapidly to the most serious stage. If they had not been detected so early, I would have had a much more serious health issue.

Knottyknitter · 28/08/2014 19:01

Over investigation is not generally a good use of resources.

Most gynae screening in the uk is done in primary care, not by gynae themselves, and most dentistry is paid for.

I see a lot of patients who have had excessive screening tests done overseas and return demanding nhs gynae referral. None have needed it (once the records have been located and translated)

dreamingbohemian · 28/08/2014 19:01

I agree OP, annual exams are common in the US as well

They are NOT just smears, those are done maybe yearly if you are high risk but otherwise every 3-5 years

The doctor also does a breast exam and checks your ovaries, which I think is a good thing. It's a chance to review contraception, get a new prescription if necessary. Other general physical checks like blood pressure (important for some contraception). Also a chance to share any concerns that might not feel enough for a proper doctor's visit... lots of women get referred into mental health services by their gynos, for depression or anxiety.

It's also good as you get older to see a doctor specialising in women's health, as many conventional treatments and drugs are developed using male subjects and may have different effects.

So it may not seem cost-effective but actually it's a good way to squeeze lots of stuff into one short visit. Early detection is key for so many things and I do think this is a feminist issue.

stoppedlurking56 · 28/08/2014 18:59

I'm genuinely surprised that the majority so far wouldn't welcome these. Fair enough. I feel the opposite - that I'm missing out on something which other developed countries see as important. I suppose the only way to know would be to look at statistics, but that's very difficult for us here on this thread. Disclaimer: I have had issues with bad gynaecological advice from a GP so I suppose I am slightly mistrustful in that respect.

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CaptChaos · 28/08/2014 18:58

I can see the point of an annual check up, not necessarily a gendered one though. You can attend a well woman clinic here, if your GP offers one.

exexpat · 28/08/2014 18:57

Health screening can do more harm than good. I'm sure there are arguments on both sides.

GaryTheTankEngine · 28/08/2014 18:54

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doradoo · 28/08/2014 18:53

I live in Germany and it's an annual 'well-woman' check here - smear / breast exam / sometimes depending on insurance or if you want to pay extra a TV ultrasound to check ovaries - and general urine/bp/weight etc.

Presumably so that if there are any probs they are picked up at an earlier stage and are therefore easier to treat?

When you hear stories of young women dying because they can't access appropriate screening it makes you thankful for what you get 'as normal'

I don't consider it in any way 'a control/observation' issue - it's part of the very proactive and preventative approach to healthcare here rather than reactive which is what it seems like in the UK.

stoppedlurking56 · 28/08/2014 18:52

A friend in Germany had small tumours in her womb detected and they could be removed before they became bigger - cancerous. No other symptoms. I get my smears of course as per NHS. I have no agenda, I am just curious. As a layperson I don't know whether these checks are truly necessary or not. But obviously if I had cancer tumours as per my friend then yes, I'd like to know sooner rather than later.

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Bellossom · 28/08/2014 18:51

What's the need? What kind of things do they find out?

I would decline anyone examining me anywhere without good reason.

CMOTDibbler · 28/08/2014 18:51

You have to ask yourself what good an annual check would do tbh. The Uk has a national cervical screening programme, and the optimum frequency for the population has been calculated to be 3 yearly, and women are chased to attend these.

Men aren't routinely called for health checks either, but GP practices often offer 'MOTs' to specific age groups for the major health issues like weight, blood pressure, cholesterol etc

Shallishanti · 28/08/2014 18:50

.....or the idea that men=normal, women=abnormal, and therefore prone to all sorts of disease. Do men in Germany/Belgium have andrological check ups annualy?

exexpat · 28/08/2014 18:50

You can get well-woman checks at private clinics, e.g. through Bupa - I did one once when I had been living overseas for several years and was overdue for a smear check.

I would guess that the reason the NHS doesn't offer annual checks like this is because they may not necessarily improve the overall health of women, or at least not in a cost-effective way. I think differences in the way doctors are paid may explain why gynaecologists in some countries, particularly the US, encourage regular check-ups and screenings when other countries do not feel the need.

I am not involved in healthcare, but I have read a lot of evidence about how unnecessary screenings/scans can lead to vast numbers of false positives - people being referred for further tests or even treatment for things they turn out not to have, or which they do have but which would never have caused a problem (e.g. very early stage prostate cancer, some very slow-growing breast cancers). Margaret McCartney has written some interesting stuff about this.

NitramAtTheKrap · 28/08/2014 18:47

I don't have a medical background, but doubt gyne health is worse here because of it.

I would feel really uncomfortable about this, instinctively it feels like some sort of control/observation of women type thing.

Shallishanti · 28/08/2014 18:47

do you have any concerns about your health?
I can see the point of regular dental checks, but not sure what a gynae check up would be for, exactly....smears aside of course. Sounds to me like a money spinner for the Drs.

stoppedlurking56 · 28/08/2014 18:42

Sorry, first post and I don't know how 'conference' crept into that title....pls ignore!

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