Traps For Women & Girls

it's never a poor us thread. you acknowledge that inequality exists, so does the OP. question is, what can be done to help the generation coming?

I actually do sometimes want to moan and someone say poor you, because while at a societal level we can change the future, on a personal level what has already happened cannot be changed.

enough i said/you said digressions. i read stuff like op and i just think how depressing and fatalistic.the emotive hyperbole of "trapped",the presumptions that women cannot win when it comes to their choices.

oh well, since you ask, she can speak for me. how smug exactly? high-handed, i take it, because she thinks you're rude and you think you're not? (but you must know that you are being rude, surely?)

anyway, smug how?

leningrad you can come across as snipy and high-handed.do you speak for said others?

ok,i think the assumption that women will be habituallty put upon,down trodden is fatalistic.denies female ability and confers us status of lesser individuals.an assumption being made is societal/male power is so great we will be crushed.the machinations of oppression will render us weak.fatalistic notion we are fucked.and majority of girls cannot deflect societal messages,nor can their parents.if a man had said that stuff posters would go apoplectic

this broadbrush appraisal of women is derisory and disempowering.denies individual difference or power of agitation

i abhor this notion of women as inevitably crushed by machinations of oppression and patriarchy

inequality exists - yes
patriarchy exists - yes
but the rub is we all experience it differently and different degrees.throw class,race,faith in the mix.it is all fascinating

feminism has undoubtedly benefited my life.someone else agitated for things i benefit from.for that i am grateful

that's why it doesn't sit comfortably when i read these poor us threads.as if its inevitable.
i dislike this notion that male power will inevitably grind us down

again you are off mark,i haven't said anyone stupid or name called. i have participated.maybe not concurred to a specific view,but that initself doesn't mean one can rock up and say oi scottishmummy thinks posters are stupid.that is just shit stirring

no dittany you see /read what you wish to see.your interpretative spin.so tell me do you know the definitive parameters of feminism? because most others agree its complicated

yes we are all experientially shaped by familial,societal,cultural factors.but individuality of experience and personality means not all experiences are necessarily shared the same way.that's what makes it all so damn interesting.people aren't a homogeneous mass.throw class,education,race in the mix too

Oh and also proles thank you for those stats, I think. They are utterly horrifying.

On that note I'm off to bed to watch Poirot...

I would also concur that many of the women on here have come to feminism through things which have happened in their lives which have, yes, shaped their views. And necessarily those views will be different from someone's who has not had those experiences.

However just because the second person has not had these experiences, does not mean that the initial persons feelings are wrong or an over-reaction or a false view of the truth. It may be the person with no bad experiences who has the false view.

If the feminists were acting on a view of society that was false, there would not be so much supporting evidence to show that there is in fact inequality between the sexes. Gender pay gap, stats on rape and sexual assault, what is happening in other countries around the world. The inequality is demonstrable, women who have experienced or witnessed or discovered this inequality might be roused to want to effect change. This should not be a problem for the women who haven't experienced it etc, surely. I don't see why it matters to them.

dittany your presumption is erroneous and misplaced.why do you presume "problem with feminism"

& the pedanz tht txtn is gr8

what point are you struggling to amke aitch

let's go and tell the ttc-ers not to bother as the planet is over-populated already.

no im not looking for justification of feminism nor should i be expected not to robustly discuss.

aitch you are way off mark,i haven't compelled isnt to reveal anything. i queried a statement made on an open forum,she answered

I'm off to tell everyone on the camping topic to stay in a hotel.