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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Traps For Women & Girls

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/08/2010 15:41

I've been thinking about how a lot of the time it is impossible for a woman to win when it comes to choices.

For example, it seems that everyone is very keen for mothers to stay at home, especially those with small children (should say that this is second hand, I have no DC yet). Public opinion, childcare costs, media etc all make clear that that is the right choice.

And yet when they do they become expected to do all the housework (even at weekends), vulnerable to charges of being lazy, "ladies who lunch", overprotective etc.

And if they work part-time they are often seen as uncommitted at work, and still have all the downsides of being SAHM.

Or if you wear make-up and heels some people will judge you as a bimbo, but if you wear a t-shirt and jeans and trainers, then you are probably depressed or a lesbian (nothing wrong with being gay, just a stupid judgement to make on appearance alone) or not making "enough" effort.

Was wondering if anyone else had examples of being caught in these kind of traps?

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scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 23:22

or the inertia of we are trapped and accept yer lot posts

dittany · 18/08/2010 23:22

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withorwithoutyou · 18/08/2010 23:22

OMG, Dittany vs Scottishmummy, it's like Freddy vs Jason, I actually can't watch.

dittany · 18/08/2010 23:21

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scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 23:18

why do you presume negativity?what has shaped your views?has this permeated into your desire as adult to label and opine

franklampoon · 18/08/2010 23:18

"It's inevitable if we don't fight back that male power will grind us down."

I think this is nonsense

dittany · 18/08/2010 23:17

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scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 23:15

who made you label master.did germaine drop the crown

dittany · 18/08/2010 23:15

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franklampoon · 18/08/2010 23:14

I have never been aware of any such traps and I have been around the block a few times

scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 23:10

you do love your labels.why do you opine about anti-feminists.does that mean i dont concur with you.how very passive aggressive and illiberal to identify and label divergence as "anti feminist"

dittany · 18/08/2010 23:07

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scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 23:04

dittany are you being obtuse.obviously no one is talking.we are strangers battering out a topic on a pc online.i could equally ask whom do you think you are talking to when you post

Aitch · 18/08/2010 23:02

er, no, beertricks said if we don't rise above it then we are underneath. it was glib.

i'm more for rising up than rising above in any case... Wink

dittany · 18/08/2010 22:58

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LeninGrad · 18/08/2010 22:56

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scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 22:54

dittany I am saying fight back,all the its inevitable we are fucked by system/men/inequalities.is so damn defeatist.and theme on this thread appears to have been what is the point fighting.allegedly majority girls cannot deflect societal messages,nor can parents

I am saying dont accept that shitty label of nothing we can do

so defeatist

dittany · 18/08/2010 22:54

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scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 22:47

yes

scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 22:47

aitch,i see we concur no it isnt fait accompli as i have said.all this grinding about male power,trapped women,and systemic inequality makes it read like inevitable and when it was said what about rise up etc.that was slapped down as too simplisitc/individualistic. someone said we can challenge and the put down was they were glib.and then humph wee faces about a notion of rise up

dittany · 18/08/2010 22:44

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dittany · 18/08/2010 22:43

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scottishmummy · 18/08/2010 22:41

sentiments like trapped,emasculate women,strip any notion of up and out,societal change.smacks of grinds you down the system does. i dont recognise such descriptors i really dont

Aitch · 18/08/2010 22:41

you can get out of a trap, you do know that don't you? it's not a fait accompli.

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