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Troll hunting, why it's not a good idea and why we deleted the Rarebird thread

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JustineMumsnet · 06/07/2010 18:02

Hi all,
We've just deleted the Rarebird thread as it had deteriorated into a bunfighting trollhunt. As we've said in previous posts we do think it's better to work on the assumption that posters are telling the truth and after a lot of digging we have found nothing to suggest that Rarebird is anything other than genuine.

Of course you can never be sure of any poster's real identity but we think it's better to err on the side of being occasionally taken in than on the side of being sceptical of genuine posters. If you take a different view (and we do understand that some folk do) then quite simply it's best not to get involved in threads such as these and we'd rather you did that than post suspicions on the thread. Mumsnet will be a worse place if folks routinely assume that any unusual post is a troll making it up.

Of course anyone who has genuine concerns please do tell us - we'll always take a look.

Many thanks,
Justine

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daftpunk · 07/07/2010 12:07

I didn't say it was you wannabe......but that was said to RB...

I feel so sorry for RB, I read some of the thread and I was shocked, (and it takes alot to shock me)....I don't care if she's making it up, no one deserves to be treated in the way she was.

The troll hunters on here need to calm down, or find a new hobby...MN should offer support to all, and if you waste a bit of time on someone who turns out to be a fake...so what?....is it such a big deal?...

Y'know we're all adults here, if we want to meet up with someone, send money, invest emotional energy...that's up to us....we don't need baby sitting my a self imposed mafia....

Flighttattendant · 07/07/2010 12:03

Oh Daftpunk you are back again

yesterday you were stirring

today you are stirring some more

Can you not just do and post it on 'Mums Who troll Net' instead? Nothing you ever post is innocuous or without some kind of bait.

It was lovely when you stopped for a bit. Sorry to say that.

SanctiMoanyArse · 07/07/2010 12:02

Oh I wasn't FA- there were comments about rarebird not being sat with babay and finding time to post on MN

AS for waterskiing- ah yes! She was a very LT troll, I had been sucked in for a while. No harm done though, down to experience LOL.

Confuzled · 07/07/2010 12:01

expat I wasn't calling any individual that - I didn't actually even see you on the thread (it moved too fast). I was replying to several comments - if it looked targeted then I apologise.

Flighttattendant · 07/07/2010 12:00

Sancti - having a coffee isn't like going on a waterskiing holiday though is it

(you are talking about Moszhe?)

expatinscotland · 07/07/2010 11:58

x-post, Eleanor.

expatinscotland · 07/07/2010 11:58

'Being a seeping, foetid, rancid cunt is another.

That straight enough for you? '

Yep, that's straight up rank.

RB was never called a cunt, though.

That's you, calling someone else (me) that.

DP. Pot. Kettle. Black.

SanctiMoanyArse · 07/07/2010 11:53

There's a threead running atm where someone is very low and it's going well- lots of sensible suggestions and gentle support with no offers or vulnerability shown.

Would that all threads could be like that.

EleanorHandbasket · 07/07/2010 11:52

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EldritchCleavage · 07/07/2010 11:52

Hmmn, SGB, have you met my SIL then?

suitejudyblue · 07/07/2010 11:52

daftpunk - you've hit the nail on the head, there was a pack mentality going on. I posted in support of rarebird a couple of times and was jumped on for not agreeing with what some of the more prolific posters had decided was fact.

LeninGoooaaall · 07/07/2010 11:51

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porcupine11 · 07/07/2010 11:48

But Chicken, your 'silliness' just meant that troll-hunters turned on me too, and if you ever find yourself on the other end of such insistence that you are lying, a liar, fictional, have made up posts about your own children for the last two years as part of some crazed wider strategy, as people were saying about me, you'd realize it's much more uncomfortable for the accused than the accusers.

I could easily speculate that you, the troll hunters, generate false posts in the first place as a basis for your sport. Ridiculous? Yes. But no more so than all the conspiracy theories from the last two days.

FioFio · 07/07/2010 11:48

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wannaBe · 07/07/2010 11:46

I've never told anyone to piss off.

Following on from fio's posts I wonder if mn hq plant these trolls to generate revenue .

Confuzled · 07/07/2010 11:45

Sure, but that is not what happened with Rarebird. People were vicious and nasty and that is appalling. What's more, it wasn't as simple as pure insult - it was exceedingly targeted, personal insult, and thus far more damaging. And it is not the first time on MN, either.

Wrapping vicious insult in an "it's for your own good... I'm just being honest" coating is adding insult to injury, and self-deluding to boot. Sometimes, people are genuinely trying to get someone to snap out of it (though it's still just their perception, as to personality/character - they aren't shrinks and this is not a setting one would diagnose from, either). Other times, they seem to be enjoying the adrenaline of it all, and enjoying isolating and attacking another person's most basic personality and character. It's profoundly unpleasant when it reaches that stage. Bullying in its purest form, and it doesn't matter how much you dislike the OP, or even if you believe her to be lying. That's still quite simply wrong. And sadly it's also really human and doesn't mean a poster thus carried away is in general a shit person, but I have to question why it is that people can't just apologise and accept that it was wrong and they got caught up in the heat of the moment and the atmosphere of a crowd. Why they try to continue justifying the unjustifiable.

SanctiMoanyArse · 07/07/2010 11:44

DP, I agree.

(haven't seen you in ages btw)

daftpunk · 07/07/2010 11:42

But wannaBe...that's too nice...telling a (possible) troll, to piss off and die is much more fun...which is the basis for 99% of troll hunting..."I think she's a troll so I can say whatever I like, I can be as horrible as I possible can, cos I don't believe her".....calling someone a troll gives troll hunters the red light to be as abusive as they can, it's so bad & so out of order.....the troll hunters (and their supporters) are extremely unpopular with the silent majority...hopefully they'll read this thread and take note....

SanctiMoanyArse · 07/07/2010 11:36

Yep Wananbe: shame there wasn't more of that type of post TBH.

FioFio · 07/07/2010 11:34

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wannaBe · 07/07/2010 11:29

confuzeld but that isn't straight-talking that's just being insulting.

It's possible to say to someone "look, you're not doing yourself any favours with this, you need to accept that it's over/that the man has moved on/you need to move on (dependent on the situation) without resorting to insults/namecalling.

SanctiMoanyArse · 07/07/2010 11:27

Even tehn SGB it can be done with huimanity.

'I relaise your having a hrd time but I honestly think your attitude is making it even worse. Maybe you need to find someone to talk to about how you re impacting on yout life through your attitude would be sensible' is far better

than

OOh liar. I don't belive you. Or my pesonal faves which were along the lines of nobody would leave their baby in SCBU ever... which were saying even if you re real you are not good enough; when in fact there's any number of reasons a Mum can need time away from SCBU- meds, own MH / break, SCBU request.... ds4 went in to SCBU for a day after his birth to check for suspected heart problems (thankfully all clear) and a great many of the babies who weren't likely to die imminently were unattended. I remember when my sister's son was in SCBU and NICU for moths on end the rbeaks away for a coffee, read,, visit, whatever were wehat kept them able to face the constant watching fear.

It palced a value rating on someone's chosen coping strategy and was imo very cruel.

Poshwellies · 07/07/2010 11:27

Quite agree with Libra.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 07/07/2010 11:25

The Hydra-troll thing was a bit of silliness to describe the type of troll who introduces 'friends' to fight their corner. I was quite proud of naming this variety, but that was before it all got quite so ugly. It really did go rather too far, and I feel uncomfortable for my part in it. Whether the poster in question is genuine or not, once the online persona had been linked to a RL identity, I think it should have been pulled then and there. Some of the conspiracy theories being bandied about were really rather