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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
solo · 02/02/2010 00:47

I reckon that if we went back 50/60 years, that roles were separate and defined and marriage lasted longer. Expectations were different and family was family with far less divorce or even wanting a divorce because marriages were worked at more! obviously they weren't all happy.

BertieBotts · 02/02/2010 00:31

Take your time. Trust and respect are both massively important - be willing to work on these if there are issues. And of course communication.

Don't be afraid to take a step back if it's not working, rather than ending it completely or struggling on trying to make it work and feeling resentful. Have weekends away from each other occasionally once you are living together - it's good to miss each other, and if you don't... it shows how good the relationship is!!

Granny23 · 02/02/2010 00:24

44 years now and still going strong. Agree with most of the above especially keeping the laughter and fun going. I want to add loyalty, by which I mean sticking up for each other and not 'bad mouthing' your partner to other people. If there is a problem to be sorted do it face to face between the two of you. Do not belittle your partner to family and friends.

I recommend a regular Sunday morning cuppa in bed, snuggled up together, as best time to keep in touch and decide priorities or resolve issues.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 02/02/2010 00:08

Getorf we x-posted, I am not just copying your comments, honest!

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 01/02/2010 23:59

The only one of those ten that really resonates for me is the laughter - a shared joke creates such a wonderful bond, and it's definitely the best way to end an arguement.

I have two more, one serious and one flippant!

Serious - Always be polite. Too easy to forget the please, thank you, and things like making a cup of tea for each other. Before you know it you are barely grunting at each other.

Flippant - buy the biggest bed you have space for/can afford. It means you can get further away from the snoring!

Tortington · 01/02/2010 23:55

dont put me in the hat

trust. before love - oh how most of us can fall in love. But trust?... Now trust has to be earned. trust has a track record. and if trust is broken, even if there is love, trust must be worked on.

trust is more important than love, for without it - i don't believe there can be true love.

GetOrfMoiLand · 01/02/2010 23:53

Be nice and kind. Be polite. Say please and thank you and show as much respect to your DP as you would a friend.

Give compliments. If you think your DP looks lovely tell him.

It's a team. Balance the work evenly. It is not fair for one person to do the majority so share it fairly. My DP does gardening, bins, windows, kictehn cleaning, hoovering. I do cooking, cars, mopping, laundry, general tidying.

Random acts of kindness. Cups of tea, toast in bed, running a bath.

Laugh together.

choosyfloosy · 01/02/2010 22:47

Erm, I have to say that much as I respect JFW, her top ten don't seem to have much relevance to my marriage...having said that, I've only been married six years and am already on husband 2

I remember a rather lovely book I read standing up in Hay on Wye about long-married couples. I don't remember all the key things, but two were:

Never leave the room without letting your partner know where you are going [not in a surveillance stylee, but just showing respect to your partner].

If you wish your partner was more affectionate, gave more hugs and kisses etc, consider seducing them more often. Have confidence that you are desirable.

My own top tip would be.... marry the right person. Oh well.

KerryMumbles · 01/02/2010 22:39

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Slartybartfast · 01/02/2010 22:38

she [[i.e me in this case] is generally right and he would do well to remember that.
for starters.

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