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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
sallyjaygorce · 02/02/2010 13:15

Be pen pals

PoppityPing · 02/02/2010 13:14

Be kind to one another

Believe in each other

Be affectionate and have lots of sex

BlingLoving · 02/02/2010 13:13

Accept that neither of you will automatically do things the way you would. And yes, that goes for the little things like what sponges to use for the washing up to the bigger things like how to celebrate a birthday or buy a gift but, make sure that on the really big things you think the same - how to bring up kids, how to manage the money, broad ethical and moral questions.

I concede I haven't been married that long, but truly believe that this is the single hardest thing for most couples and I see it from my parents who have been married for 45 years all the way to friends who have been married for just a few months. And I don't believe my parents would have survived those 45 years if they hadn't just sat back and said, "right, well, that's just the way he/she does things, no matter how crazy and stupid it seems to me".

noddyholder · 02/02/2010 13:12

Respect,lust,trust,admiration,spend enough time together doing the things you did before kids and everyday took over.listen and talk.Turn the bloody tv off and go to bed .

Rubyrubyruby · 02/02/2010 13:09

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GooberHasBookedHerHols · 02/02/2010 13:04

Ignore him at all times.

Go out alone.

juneybean · 02/02/2010 10:54

Stay single.

aseriouslyblondemoment · 02/02/2010 10:54

speaking as a woman with one failed marriage behind her i feel that it's because of this that i've discovered what actually makes a long term relationship work
respect and courtesy
not taking each other for granted
honesty
unconditional support and loyalty
consistency regarding parenting
recognising the need for personal space and privacy
respecting the other person as an individual and not as an object which you own
shared goals and aspirations
my dp ticks all these boxes and more
but what really strikes me about the relationship i'm in now is that it just feels right and is effortless

becstarlitsea · 02/02/2010 10:44

It's all a bit middle class isn't it? Dishwashers, sat navs and weekends away... We can't afford any of that stuff, so it's a miracle that DH and I have managed to stay so happy together, really... And that's just it - making some 'recipe for a happy marriage' makes it sound like those of us who are lucky enough to have it are somehow better than people who get divorced but actually to quote the 'sunscreen song'...

"Maybe you?ll marry, maybe you won?t, maybe you?ll have children,maybe
you won?t, maybe you?ll divorce at 40, maybe you?ll dance the funky
chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary?what ever you do, don?t
congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either ? your
choices are half chance, so are everybody else?s."

Don't want the book. Sounds like it puts the 'smug' in 'smug marrieds'

Whoamireally · 02/02/2010 10:44

No book for me either thanks - APG makes a good point and having the opportunity to say my piece already is reward enough

AccioPinotGrigio · 02/02/2010 10:42

No book for me either thanks.

A mutual enjoyment of the occasional, recreational doobie. A healthy disregard for anyone offering suggestions on how to live your life - politicians, upper-middle class grannies who are not even related to you etc.

Did I mention I don't want the book.

DuelingFanjo · 02/02/2010 10:39

Keep your friends and don't stop your partner from keeping his.

Keepo · 02/02/2010 10:39

Ver very low expectations

Whoamireally · 02/02/2010 10:37

My mum always says that in the 'olden days' the average length of a marriage/ relationship was short because people died young so you didn't have to worry about beyond 20 years or so. She thinks we have not evolved in relationship terms to match our enhanced life expectancies - and therefore we expect that we will be 'happily' together for the rest of our lives - and beat ourselves up over it when we're not.

So here are my top tips (not that I'm qualified to give them having only been married a mere 10 years )

  • Be flexible. Forever is a long time and you will be different people at the end than when you started out. If you can't grow together, you will grow apart. Relationships are wavy lines, not straight ones....
  • Listen properly, don't just 'hear'. I hate it when people say 'I hear you', wanky phrase , it means nothing. Listening means taking on board what your OH is saying, and thinking it through before replying. I hope my hubby reads this
  • Perfect the art of counting to ten. Many a word said in haste is repented at leisure

I'm really getting into this now! I'm off for some reptilian love

Flamesparrow · 02/02/2010 10:32

I agree - also don't want the book.

My mum always goes on about some tv series about training husbands like dogs and how great it was. I am always . I have been a bitch to DH over the past few years (yes, I am working on it now I have realised), but I will not treat a man like a pet!

nickelbabe · 02/02/2010 10:30

i've got a couple:

laugh together. blowing raspberries on the tummy is a good way

sit together and do nothing. (sit on the settee holding hands while you watch telly)

share jobs. if he washes the pots, you hoover. if you change the sheets, he puts the washing away, etc.

SolidGoldBrass · 02/02/2010 10:30

Take up swinging.

(And don't put me in the hat, I don;t want a tedious heteronormative bucket of condescentions, thanks).

Enigmatica · 02/02/2010 10:24

Has any one mentioned being faithful and communicative?

All the rest is chaff IMO

sfxmum · 02/02/2010 10:18

a husband must be someone you actually like, respect and trust
and if having children, someone who will make a good father
everybody is different and will suit different partners, what works for some just doesn't for others
but no amount of early blind lust will make up for failings in the above

Flower3554 · 02/02/2010 09:58

I agree whole-heartedly with what Custardo said. I married Dh 35 years ago because I trusted him, we have been incredibly lucky in that we love each other as well but, for me, knowing he would never, no matter what the provocation, ever lift his hands to me was paramount.

I adored my late father but lashing out was his thing. His wife, his kids, made no difference, if he was angry he hit and I would rather have died than enter a marriage with that fear.

An oft heard sentence my mother spoke was "watch for dad getting off the bus, see if his hands are in his pockets"

If they were it meant he was clenching them in his pockets

Hulababy · 02/02/2010 09:54

Chose a partner you actually like and are friends with.

MollyRoger · 02/02/2010 09:49

He knows everything and I'm always right. Simples.

(I'm so sorry, but I don't want the book either, i just can't resist sharing the wisdom of 17 years together...)

MisSalLaneous · 02/02/2010 09:47

Present a united front. Have your disagreements in private.

Miggsie · 02/02/2010 09:23

Say please and thank-you to your partner, and him to you.

A lot of couples take a lot of things for granted and this can cause resentment.

MitchyInge · 02/02/2010 09:13

thumbs up here for the separate continents idea - will be celebrating 21 years of happy married life this year and have not seen/spoken to him for well over a decade