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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
UnquietDad · 03/02/2010 11:22

Saying "yes, dear", and doing what you would have done anyway.

mustrunmore · 03/02/2010 11:06

Never say things you dont mean.

Dont expect your husband/wife to be a superbeing and provide 100% of the emotional support you need. Be your own person and love them as their own person.

Dont get bogged down in daily chores and life. Even the essentials can be fun.

Have tons of sex.

Forgive mistakes.

Never asssumne your spouse knows what you're thinking unless you actually spell it out.

mellymooks · 03/02/2010 10:35

Laughter.
Choosing your battles.
Appreciation.
Mutual respect.
Blow jobs.
Never forgetting how lucky you are to have found each other.
Talk, talk talk.
Giving each other lie ins.
Rolling down hills.
Remembering the good things when times are shit.
Saying I love you cause you mean it, not from habit.

Bonsoir · 03/02/2010 10:29

Something else - I think that a lot of people enter marriage/coupledom these days having spent all their lives in a structured environment (school/university/work) that leaves little room to develop skills of self-direction. Most couples start off as dual job/career couples. When children come along, suddenly they have a whole new job to do that, unlike all the other big jobs they have done so far, doesn't come with instructions/a structure/hierarchy etc - they have to make it up on their own. This puts huge pressure on them.

One solution is for both to carry on working and to put the children straight into a structured environment (nursery)...

tatt · 03/02/2010 10:23

What's a "successful marriage"? I've been married a long time but not sure that makes it successful.

My tips

  1. Marry someone you like not simply someone you lust after. Eventually sex becomes less important, you need more than that to stay together.
  1. Don't give up too easily. When the going gets rough be prepared to remember what you liked about your partner at the beginning.
  1. Mutual dependence - those who need each other (whether to kill spiders or for something more important) are more likely to stay together.
  1. Don't expect perfection - you aren't perfect either.

And this was written on a card when we married, I've always remembered it:

To keep your marriage happy, with love in the loving cup, whenever you're wrong admit it, whenever you're right shut up.

Bonsoir · 03/02/2010 09:39

"Accepting that love is an action, not a feeling"

I don't really agree with this. I think love is a feeling that needs to be materialised into actions, that are made possible by the love.

I cannot possibly imagine being motivated to do all the things I do for my DP if I were not in love with him!

cakeywakey · 03/02/2010 09:20

Like PollyTechnique said, 'Never go to bed on an argument'. It's my Mum and Dad's main rule and they've been married for over 40 years so it works for them.

I'm a bit loath to give advice as all relationships are different, but I'd say to make sure that you try to stay and treat each other as friends, that you support each other to have your own interests and that you give each other space to be yourselves, as well as 'Mummy' or 'Daddy', once DCs come along.

Swedey · 03/02/2010 08:05

Yeuch at "then he can blame the Sat Nav and nit the Old Bat Nav" in the OP.

Please don't put me in the hat.

Always be on the same team.

chickensaresafehere · 03/02/2010 07:46

Respect & an eagerness for sex!

Georgimama · 03/02/2010 06:38

Compromise

Gentleness

Low Realistic expectations

domesticslattern · 02/02/2010 23:58

"Love does not just sit there, like a stone; it had to be made, like bread, remade all the time, made new."
(Ursula Le Guin)

overmydeadbody · 02/02/2010 23:05

Surely that goes without saying SGB? It certainly does for me.

scaryhairycat · 02/02/2010 22:02

The three Cs...

  • Communication

  • Compassion

  • Copulation

Wigglesworth · 02/02/2010 21:51

Swallow.

KerryMumbles · 02/02/2010 21:42

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SolidGoldBrass · 02/02/2010 21:35

How about accepting that the secret to a long and happy life is understanding that couplehood is not essential and that it's much better to be single than in a shit relationship?

Cyclops · 02/02/2010 19:37

LOL communication

Cyclops · 02/02/2010 19:37

How about:

All-round compatibility; e.g. level of education, outlook on life, level of sociability, having similar goals in life, communcation skills, similar sex drives, etc

Freedom within a relationship; more trust = more freedom

Acceptance of the other person's character as is without wanting to change parts of it

Emotional quotient compatibility

Mutual attraction

overmydeadbody · 02/02/2010 19:23

Accepting that love is an action, not a feeling, and that having a succesful content relationship requires effort.

Respecting your partner as an individual, not an extention of yourself or a posession.

Never ever assuming your partner is a mind reader.

orienteerer · 02/02/2010 19:15

I'm with Duchess too - separate duvets

BitOfFun · 02/02/2010 17:32

Reptilian love bothered me too. Does it involve a lizardy tongue, or just hissing at your partner occasionally?

My tip? Never underestimate the sheer number of utter scrotes out there if you've got a good partner. The grass is not always greener.

FromGirders · 02/02/2010 17:23

wtf is reptilian love, please?

BadGardener · 02/02/2010 17:18

Honesty and kindness.

I must, however, point out to Granny Jane that the risk of the satnav solution to mapreading arguments is the ex-map-reading partner grumbling, 'He always follows her instructions, he never ever used to listen to mine.'

CheeryCherry · 02/02/2010 16:59

Be tolerant with each other, patient and kind, ignore annoying habits - you will have just as many! Cuddle and massage. Have loyalty and trust. Take time to chat, really talking and listening. And keep your relationship issues between the two of you. Email and text, keep in touch. Small surprises will keep it fun, little notes, choccy treats etc... just to show your appreciation and not taking things for granted.God how sloppy do I sound?! Makes it all sound easy!

heQet · 02/02/2010 16:54

What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

low standards.