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MPs' expenses: things for policywonk to say if she gets the chance

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policywonk · 19/05/2009 17:15

So I'm off tomorrow afternoon to this panel discussion thing: here are the details

I'll go through the old thread tonight but post any more stuff here. Y'know, if you want to.

I'm SO OVER MPs' expenses.

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LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:33

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:32

I DO NOT fancy Stormin Norman. But I would put my nice new Monsoon coat over a puddle for him to walk over. I'm sure he would demur though.

ILove... 'Who is defending the action?' The Commons Commission and the Speaker's Office, I think.

'Who is funding it?' We are, sweetheart! Thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money on the best lawyers in the land.

'Who has been consulted?' Basically, the Commons Commission decides, presumably after taking soundings from party leaderships. There's no open debate among MPs, but as you'll see from the long list of MPs who voted in favour of FOI exemption, this sort of anti-transparency action had huge support among MPs.

'Is Elvis alive?' If Elvis were alive, he'd be dead by now.

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LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:31

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:26

Helena was furious about that case Len, and she reckons there's a lot of it going on in the Lords - that's why she wants all appointments stopped until this whole crisis has been resolved.

Re. your question about discipline: that's what my first question (below) referred to. Basically, Parliament is the highest court in the land; nobody can kick out a member of Parliament (Commons or Lords) except their peers. The Standards and Privileges Committees (one for HoC, one for Lords) are the ones who dole out sanctions where necessary. Lots of people might think, especially now, that this is a function that ought to be farmed out to an independent body. BUT then you've destroyed parliamentary sovereignty, and left Parliament vulnerable in the case of swivel-eyed maniacs taking over the independent disciplinary body (as opposed to swivel-eyed maniacs taking over Parliament - we're used to that).

Joshua Rozenburg was in the audience and asked a question about sovereignty. He reckons that farming out decisions about MPs' pay to an independent body is unconstitutional 'cos of the sovereignty issue.

It's interesting I think. Don't know what the answer is. (Better MPs and more transparency, I suppose.)

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LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:26

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NormieNotSoSqueakyClean · 20/05/2009 22:23

just for info Norman Baker expenses

ilovemydogandMrObama · 20/05/2009 22:23

I don't understand the process.

So, Heather Brooke applies under the FOI for MPs expenses to be put into the public domain. This is rejected. She then lodges a claim through Judicial Review. What happens in the 5 years in between the initial request and Judicial Review which is why the expenses are being made public.

Who is defending the action? Who is funding it? Who has been consulted? There are some MPs who I am sure have nothing to hide. Is there general consultation amongst all MPs?

Sorry for all the questions, but since I'm on a roll: is Elvis still alive?

Oh and Lenin -- I meant perestroika as far as restructuring...

LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:20

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:18

Steen, that was it.

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:18

Good question Len, I dunno the answer. I guess they carry on getting paid until they actually resign their seats.

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LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:17

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:17

Jonathan Isaby of ConservativeHome wants: a recall mechanism (such as that which resulted in Arnie being elected Governor of California - think this is an interesting idea); more power to local councils; open primaries so that public has a greater say in choosing candidates (I guess this would require US-style registering of voters as party supporters?); abolition of the communications allowance (politics geeks will know this is a contested one because of 'Ashcroft money'); in the future, when dust has settled, higher salaries for MPs - comparable to, for example, GPs (who earn about £150,000 apparently!!) and headteachers (how much do they earn?)

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:13

They did say someone was about to resign Len but the name didn't ring any bells.

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:07

I remember reading John Stalker's book back in the 80s about his thwarted inquiry into the shoot-to-kill policy and thinking he was the bee's knees. Now he sells patio awnings with his dog. What's that about?

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:06

ILove... the answer 'the Speaker's office' doesn't do it for you, I suppose?

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ilovemydogandMrObama · 20/05/2009 22:03
policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:03

Oh tish ILove, now you ask...

Shall I try emailing the Normster to ask?

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ronshar · 20/05/2009 21:58

I really really do not want that image in my head any more. I am still a little shaken by seeing Prezza eating at his favourite Chinese.

Artichoke can you tell me what you do or would you rather stay a bit shady.

Are the majority of the Lords honest and competant or are they all a bit wanting?

ilovemydogandMrObama · 20/05/2009 21:57

Yes, I understand who in the HOC objected to the FOI being implemented as far as MPs expenses.

But who was defending the requests in court as it got to Judicial Review stage...

policywonk · 20/05/2009 21:55

(artichokes, I'm going to come in to Westminster in the next session to start watching Select Committees for my blog so maybe we'll get the chance then?)

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 21:54

BGD, Helena Kennedy agrees with you re. Labour bottling constitutional reform agenda. To be fair, the Tories have not been helpful either - but let's face it, Labour could have got it through if it had wanted to.

She also agrees (as did the Tory on the panel) about reducing the number of MPs - but there's a big BUT with this one. One of the few things that the electorate like about our system is the availability of their MP through regular constituency surgeries. If you reduce the MPs and make each constituency correspondingly larger, it's going to be much more difficult for MPs to perform this role. Kennedy and the Tory (Jonathan Isaby from ConservativeHome.net) both pointed out that to compensate for this, you'd need to give a lot more power - and, crucially, MONEY - to local councils.

I think independent assessment is what's going to be happening from now on - can't see anyone accepting anything else at the moment.

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