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MPs' expenses: things for policywonk to say if she gets the chance

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policywonk · 19/05/2009 17:15

So I'm off tomorrow afternoon to this panel discussion thing: here are the details

I'll go through the old thread tonight but post any more stuff here. Y'know, if you want to.

I'm SO OVER MPs' expenses.

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LupusinaLlamasuit · 20/05/2009 23:07

read my thread

ronshar · 20/05/2009 23:04

Maybe I should check my spelling a little closer

PW, what exactly did Julia apologise for?

ronshar · 20/05/2009 23:01

I think ER has just announced her intention to run for parliament at next GE.
Interesting. I loved her in that ancestors programme.

I have no idea who our MEP is. Our local council has been kneecapped by the government for years. Massive underfunding. We have a nasty Lib party and a con party run by the usual charactatures, a major with big moustache, local business man and his plastic put up daughter, a man who is on lots of commitees and has a very dubious desicion making process.
Not much of an incentive to vote really. And I always vote.

BecauseImWorthIt · 20/05/2009 23:00

Brill. Well done, PW. Very proud that you were there today, representing MN and all that we stand for. Hun.

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theyoungvisiter · 20/05/2009 22:56

Oh god. Will they all have to wear white suits a la Martin Bell?

The sheer sanctimoniousness of question time will be unbearable - can you imagine ER barracking - shudder shudder

LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:56

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theyoungvisiter · 20/05/2009 22:54

Oh PW this is all awful! As if the one thing this country needs is MORE political disaffectism (is that a word?)

Don't rip up the sign Leningrad - or come the spring, VOTE TORY will spontaneously appear in your herbaceous border, picked out in marigolds.

policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:54

Oh Christ. That's the downside of independent MPs I suppose - farking 'personalities'.

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:52

Then I had some coffee and Julia H apologised to me and Jenni R was nice to me (she's very glam).

Then I went to the loo.

The End.

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LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:52

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:50

Joggler - the woman who pursued the matter of MPs' expenses through the courts using freedom of information requests. None of this would have come out without her.

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LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:49

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:49

THEN we had Steve Richardson from the Independent. Had never heard of him (sorry Steve) but he was funny and did very good impersonations (Harold Wilson, Blair and Tony Benn).

On independent MPs, he said he'd just spent two weeks on a cruise with Martin Bell and Esther Rantzen (don't think they were together) and it had put him off the idea of independent MPs for life. (Don't think ER is an MP though, unless I missed a really big meeting.)

He talked about how easily new MPs (and presumably civil servants?) get sucked into the parliamentary culture and soon forget how things would appear to outsiders ('strangers', as they call us).

Another good point: voters are confused and asking for mutually contradictory things. eg, they want 'strong leadership' but they also want MPs to hold the government to account. These things are pretty much incompatible and the public needs to decide which is more important.

If we decide accountability is more important than strong government, then the media will also have to change its tone, and stop behaving as though the government's loss of a parliamentary vote is the end of the world.

He talked about Blair and co 'showing off' about how thoroughly they controlled Labour MPs.

He also said that this issue has made him support electoral reform (PR) for the first time. Blair once said that the media was his only effective opposition; this is undemocratic.

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ronshar · 20/05/2009 22:48

I remember a couple of years ago reading that it was the speakers office blocking the FOI request. Also it made a big deal about the amount of tax payers money that was being used to prevent us from seeing the expense accounts.

As I understand it
House of Commons back staff stopping the tax payers from receiving information about how tax payers money is being spent. With the approval and encouragement of the ex speaker.

LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:46

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Joggler · 20/05/2009 22:45

who the hell is heather brooke

policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:42

YV - that's pretty much what HK and Jenni Russell said. HK suggested a County Court judge.

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theyoungvisiter · 20/05/2009 22:41

BTW I heart Helena Kennedy

policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:41

Len, that triggers a 'Vote Conservative' placard to spontaneously erect itself in your front garden.

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:39

HB deserves a special citizen's medal.

When I asked the q about her, Julia H did wonder aloud why she had not been all over the papers.

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theyoungvisiter · 20/05/2009 22:39

Can't MP's pay be pegged to a senior civil service grade?

That would also stop them having to vote on it, and having to get pay rises in by the stupid, "let's fool the constituents by creating a byzantine system they will never understand" route.

They are paid ridiculously little - it's stupid to have a situation where you can have a minister earning far less than the permanent secretary in their dept.

But it would be political suicide for any of them to say so, so you've got this silly situation.

LeninGrad · 20/05/2009 22:38

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policywonk · 20/05/2009 22:36

NormieNotSo, I can see through your dastardly disguise

I did see that about his expenses but nobody seems to be making very much hay with it.

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