dear MN HQ could you please be so kind as to explain to me publicaly why you allow thread like the super race one

you don't have to witness something 1st hand to know about it 2shoes.....i know alot about the fire of london, but it wasn't me who started it.

Thank you for your reply Justine, that clears a lot up for me.

By Monkeytrousers on Sun 25-Jan-09 18:28:22
Well just becasue you believe life begins at conception doesn't make it so, Riven. So you also obvioulsy don't believe in a womans right to abortion.

2shoes, you are in no position to judge this thread as 'anti-disabled'. I happen to work with disabled people very often and have had many many very sophicticated discussioins with the disablity rights community. My partner works for disablity rights and with people with all kinds of imparements. Someone posing a question about the ethics of eugenics does not make them facist, or whatever. Dangerous ideas need to be discussed out in the open, because if they are not, who had the chance to reign them in when they pass a certain ethical or moral line?

Do you think ethics commitees have taboo subjects? No. They cannot afford to.

But jumping to extremely negative conclussions about people - people who you have no evidence are what you seem to think they are, soley on the basis of one encounter where you disagree, where many a time on MN you might agree - just isn't fair to them.

Disagee by all means, but give these people the courtesy of thinking them not complete maniacs until they out themselves unequivacably. Theres no such evidence on this thread.

IMO this I think proves that MT is an expert in the field, and we should take not and reapect all her views. because she knows what it is like to hsav a disabled child and to expierence the day to day stuff that wea as parents to disabled children do.(or as disabled people)

I'll leave you to ponder that one..

No Riven, force was one of the options, and its not been the most successful strategy. When the Union won the war the Confederatss didn;t sinply say, 'okay, you won. We aren't racist anymore'. It took years, it's still taking years. By education mostly.

Women didn't force people to stop being sexist. The radical feminists who tried to 'force' people by intimidaytion and even bombing did a great diservice to feminism actually.

No one likes having anyhting shoved down their throats. And if you want to stop someone beinf racist, the worst thing you can do is call them that. It depends on what your goal is; just lashing out to feel some kind of cathasis for yourself, or if you want to get your point across so others can see the value in it.

So who are the 'twunts'?

FFS PAgwatch I know you called me neither. I have never said you did. Have you read the other thread?

Wanker is fine. I don;t mind wanker. I can defo be a wanker.

If I am an 8 year old boy, that would make me four then I started piosting on here. I'm a genius obvioulsy.

Oh Pagwatch. It is too much of a stretch to think that there are other ways of demoinstrating a point other than blasting it out? I don't just post blindly. I try to think of how a point will be made. Sometimes its best made by such sleight of hand. But yes, if it will make you feel better, I am an 8 year old politician.

Ok.
I called you neither.

Although I may possibly have called you a wanker but I would have to find your posts on the other thread to be sure. I hope I didn't. I was objecting to a few more exteeme posts when I said wanker - which i suspect was not you.

I actually find it hard to believe you even asked me that. I've been posting on MN for years. When have I ever gave anyone such an idea?

Of course not Ruty - but we need to work with the tools we have, persuade societies to vbe kinder and more egalitatian - not demand it. When people are forced into things, even if they were sympathetic to the aim, they resent it. People want to go on their own journeys of discovery and not be dictated to. If you want someone to do anything, the last thing you should do is get all high and mightly and lay it on the line for them regardless of how passioante you are about the issue.

Well I happen to think the ability to remove disease causing genes from the gene pool is a good thing.

That does not mean I think all fetus' with genetic conditions should be terminated, or that I think disabled people are a drain on society. It's just a technological advance that could help a lot of people live longer and enjoy a better quality of life - if they choose it.

Holding that opinion does not make me a nazi or a bigot.

'white people are not equal.Black people are not equal...' At the risk of pointing out the bleeding obvious, All human beings' lives are of equal worth MT, which you are not denying I'm sure.

ROFL

I love that.
you chose to group my individual post in with some other posts and attributed pitchfork weilding and nazism claims etc etc to me.
When I point out that I have said no such thing you chose not to retract or accept that you were somewhat out of line but instead say
"yeah - well- see - thats what they were doing and I said it was wrong didn't I".

You must either be a politician or an 8 year old boy.

Well now we see the problem with blanket claims, don't we? We all get tarred with the same brush. Sometimes wantonly, it seems if it will add fuel to the fire

i cant even read that thread

I never attributed that to you.

And I am not aware that my post is particularly hysterical. Neither do I feel particularly as if I need to calm down.

Are you just responding to anyone who presents an opposing view as if a)they are part of some group and b) they are always responding entirely to your posts?

Pitchfork hysteria ? I posted pitchfork hysteria - really?

Pagwatch, I am not, nor ever have, asserted that a life with discablity is less of a life. If people would calm down they would see that. As it is, they are giving themselves heart attacks for nothing.

There are many voices on this and the other thread. All of them assert an individual opinion that has been falsely contorted into one view by those getting their knickers in a twist. An opinion that is then called 'nazism'. It's pitchfork hysteria at its worst.

Look, white people are not equal. Black people are not equal. Muslims are not equal. Or Christians. They share a creed, or whatever, but they still compete with each other and there are winners and losers.

It's one thing to say lets try and stop wholesale discrimination, based on fear and hatred, but quite another to want 'true' equality. It doesn't, and never will, exist. Not until humans become clones.

Amber, your 'logic' on your last post on other thread is truely abysmal

Actually I have reached a point where I do find some of these threads faintly amusing.

I LOVE how many people are prepared to write with huge authority and great understanding about having a disability or caring for a child with disabilities when they have not a farking clue.
Its right up thee with 'I know about race issues because my best friend is balck'.

The sad thing is that most of these people seem to think that the super race would be them - smug, patronising, delighted by their lack of experience,arrogant enoughto think that their ability to imagine a life with disability is equal to the experience of those iving it.
What a bunch of super wankers.

It would be so nice just occasionally to have someone post 'what is it like living with x - what do you feel is the hardest thing about living with y' - but thats not goping to happen.

FWIW every single difficulty in my sons life exists only when he is in a room with NT people. The hardest part of living with disability is without doubt the general public.

And these threads often allow them to convince themselves that their negative views are reasonable.

FWIW I don't ever have a problem with any individual choosing a termination.
My issue is with people perpetuating the idea that a life with disability is less of a life - which increases the liklihood that mothers, with no real understanding will terminate out of fears unknown and often unfounded

know not no

saphron apologies, I never no what word to use to describe it, what would you suggest instead(never sure if disablist is an actual word ) I am more than happy to use a diferent word.